A Political Thread pt. 2

[Becca]

Can these people not afford a decent accountant?

Do these people even think they should bother ?

 

[ncurd]

Forgot she had these tax issues before. Surely you'd belt and braces it next time. Just to be sure. Story from Apr 2024

A simple guide to the Angela Rayner house row

Labour's deputy leader has been embroiled in a row over her living arrangements before she was an MP.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yeah I thought this was relitigation the other day not another house. This one was this year...

Im a little baffled to why she thought she could "cheat" the system considering how scrutiny there is on her doings. Which leads us to.

Can these people not afford a decent accountant?

Which is the strange part this is a high profile governement minister and within the Labour Party the most likely person to be leading them next. You'd have thought she'd have put extra care into this or be paying a lot for someone to do so.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

 

[AlRums]

Isn't that called wishful thinking?

Or Specsavers needed

 

[AlRums]

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Clever

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Which is the strange part this is a high profile governement minister and within the Labour Party the most likely person to be leading them next. You'd have thought she'd have put extra care into this

That's what makes it so frustrating - it's not hard to be clean, and she can definitely afford to pay the extra, so why not just do it?

 

[AlRums]

Clegg accuses Vance of 'hypocrisy' over free speech criticism

Many senior right-wing US figures attack UK free speech laws while "intimidating and bullying" critics, Sir Nick says.

www.bbc.co.uk

Nigel Farage and US congressman clash on freedom of speech

The Reform UK leader has appeared before the US House Judiciary Committee to discuss freedom of speech and online safety laws.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[AlRums]

UK politicians must stop stoking division, says policing chief

Gavin Stephens says rows over asylum seekers have raised community tensions and put pressure on officers

www.theguardian.com

 

[Ddanno]

Nigel Farage and US congressman clash on freedom of speech

The Reform UK leader has appeared before the US House Judiciary Committee to discuss freedom of speech and online safety laws.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yeah sorry Nicholas, you can **** RIGHT OFF after taking Facebook dollars. Prick.

 

[General Melchett]

Wasn't there a chancellor in the last government who had a multi Million pound fine due to not paying tax?

Nadim Zahawi failed to declare offshore income and ended up settling with a £5m tax payment to HMRC. This is levels above Rayner in monetary terms but as an ex Govt minister of course he escaped jail time after it was classed as a careless mistake - who would have thought.

Key questions about Nadhim Zahawi's tax affairs

The Conservative Party chairman is under pressure to fully explain the circumstances of a tax settlement.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[General Melchett]

They're all at it including the Blairs. A scandalous example of tax evasion masquerading as tax avoidance by their £1000 per hour lawyers. Why can't these ***** just pay what they're supposed to like everyone else. It's not like they can't make huge money doing consultancy, speaker tours etc. after they've left office. They also make a fortune while in office with PPE contracts, insider trading etc.

Pandora Papers: Blairs saved £312,000 stamp duty in property deal

The ex-PM and his wife did not have to pay the tax as they bought the company that owned the house.

www.bbc.co.uk

The British establishment absolutely stinks. The royals and establishment politicians continue getting away with murder, lining their pockets while working people play by the rules get absolutely rinsed through taxes, **** public services and a rising cost of living. All these privileged wankers are unaffected by the NHS waiting lists and rising public transport fares because they've all got private healthcare and get chauffeured around everywhere.

Meanwhile they distract everyone from the real culprits by getting us to fight amongst ourselves over hotels, boats, roundabouts, flags and public toilets.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

It has wider implications as well as we saw with the MPs expenses scandal. Reeves wants to put up taxes this Autumn whilst their deputy leader is careless about underpaying SDLT. Not a good look at all.

 

[Saintjay]

It has wider implications as well as we saw with the MPs expenses scandal. Reeves wants to put up taxes this Autumn whilst their deputy leader is careless about underpaying SDLT. Not a good look at all.

I can imagine carelessly under paying my car tax. "Your cars showing no current VEL sir". "Sorry Officer I've carelessly underpaid it".

 

[Deleted member 53362]

I can imagine carelessly under paying my car tax. "Sorry Officer I've carelessly underpaid it".

Absolutely. I stay so disciplined with my tax and I earn considerably less than a minister. Like I said earlier, don't these people have a ******* accountant

 

[General Melchett]

Absolutely. When you engage a solicitor or accountant you have to agree to their terms of engagement part of which requires them to keep records of all communications including emails in case they get audited or investigated.

Either Rayner or whoever advised her should be in hot water but we all know it'll be classed as a careless mistake with someone getting a slap on the wrist at worst.

 

[dirty harry]

Absolutely. When you engage a solicitor or accountant you have to agree to their terms of engagement part of which requires them to keep records of all communications including emails in case they get audited or investigated.

Either Rayner or whoever advised her should be in hot water but we all know it'll be classed as a careless mistake with someone getting a slap on the wrist at worst.

Thats what solicitors and accountants do though, when im sat in my accountants office, the discussions we have, and the emails sent for confirmation of those discussions are very different things, infact most good accountants leave wiggle room and vagueness for this exact type of scenario, so in the instance your caught out, you can rectify the error on the spot, and no further action is taken...

I mean, ive never reached the dizzying heights of 800k 2nd properties or 40k in savings mind, and id think, if I was in the public eye, specifically under scrutiny daily, id inform the professionals to do everything by the book, to the highest standard that even if it all leaked to Kemi Badenoch shed take 1 look and throw it in the bin for fear of it Improving my public image.

 

[Saintjay]

Both Labour and Rayner would be screaming for a Housing minister to resign if the shoe was on the other foot. I can't help but feel it's really hypocrisy to be on the radio etc defending actions you would attack if it was someone else

 

[General Melchett]

Thats what solicitors and accountants do though, when im sat in my accountants office, the discussions we have, and the emails sent for confirmation of those discussions are very different things, infact most good accountants leave wiggle room and vagueness for this exact type of scenario, so in the instance your caught out, you can rectify the error on the spot, and no further action is taken...

I mean, ive never reached the dizzying heights of 800k 2nd properties or 40k in savings mind, and id think, if I was in the public eye, specifically under scrutiny daily, id inform the professionals to do everything by the book, to the highest standard that even if it all leaked to Kemi Badenoch shed take 1 look and throw it in the bin for fear of it Improving my public image.

Of course. Face to face meetings is all about relationship building/retention for them. They want your business and will act like they're on your side when you're in the room with them but when push comes to shove most of them won't advise you what to do (certainly not in writing) but rather present you with options (based on the information the client has provided) and put the onus on the client to make and own the decision.

Their small print will invariably say they aren't responsible if there are any enquiries or investigations from HMRC. In other words, you're on your own or any help you do request will be treated as a separate engagement and will result in more fees for them. I've been on both sides and know how it works.

 

[Deleted member 53362]

Of course. Face to face meetings is all about relationship building/retention for them. They want your business and will act like they're on your side when you're in the room with them but when push comes to shove most of them won't advise you what to do (certainly not in writing) but rather present you with options (based on the information the client has provided) and put the onus on the client to make and own the decision.

Their small print will invariably say they aren't responsible if there are any enquiries or investigations from HMRC. In other words, you're on your own or any help you do request will be treated as a separate engagement and will result in more fees for them. I've been on both sides and know how it works.

Hasn't there been a change in the law now that makes them responsible?

 

[dirty harry]

Of course. Face to face meetings is all about relationship building/retention for them. They want your business and will act like they're on your side when you're in the room with them but when push comes to shove most of them won't advise you what to do (certainly not in writing) but rather present you with options (based on the information the client has provided) and put the onus on the client to make and own the decision.

Their small print will invariably say they aren't responsible if there are any enquiries or investigations from HMRC. In other words, you're on your own or any help you do request will be treated as a separate engagement and will result in more fees for them. I've been on both sides and know how it works.

Maybe my accountant is just a cowboy, he advises all the time face to face, then presents options in the follow up, and acts a third way in general hahahaha

Love that guy!