A Political Thread pt. 2

[Saintjay]

Oh I agree with that problem FPTP is a ******* ****.

My point is calling reform voters racist well if they wanted to vote for a non main party (althoguh I think the Tories are done for a considerable time) they could of voted for Green/Lib Dem instead of Reform.

Also Labour will see a vote for reform as a sign to ape thier policies. None of which are going to help anything you've mentioned of anything they'll make them worse.

I'm just disappointed that most of the people i personally know calling reform voters racist are all mainly. Labour voters, university education, in work and relatively well payed.

Far removed from some people in Grimsby etc. Instead of trying to understand these people, look at why they voted this way. The default is your racist and name calling. Yet they were great when they voted Labour last year.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I’ve fully accepted Fararge being PM in 28. I have already called on Valley Commando to join my revolutionary army to storm Downing Street when it happens. Might as well lock up anyone who voted reform as well.

 

[ncurd]

I've fully accepted Fararge being PM in 28. I have already called on Valley Commando to join my revolutionary army to storm Downing Street when it happens. Might as well lock up anyone who voted reform as well.

I think that is still unlikely unless the Tories actually collapse.

I'm just disappointed that most of the people i personally know calling reform voters racist are all mainly. Labour voters, university education, in work and relatively well payed.

Far removed from some people in Grimsby etc. Instead of trying to understand these people, look at why they voted this way. The default is your racist and name calling. Yet they were great when they voted Labour last year.

Oh last year it was clear the vote was GTTO and I think many people left votes. But soft Labour voters who vote Tory and Reform are never going to be on my side politically and I'm tired of being told to stop calling them names.

The groups you listed do have really problems but their problems aren't going to be fixed by anything being peddled by right wing politics. I'm kinda in a you deserve what you get mode now. They could vote differently and vote policies to help their lives. But they refuse to do so and have for the best part of 15 years now.

 

[dirty harry]

I think that is still unlikely unless the Tories actually collapse.

Oh last year it was clear the vote was GTTO and I think many people left votes. But soft Labour voters who vote Tory and Reform are never going to be on my side politically and I'm tired of being told to stop calling them names.

The groups you listed do have really problems but their problems aren't going to be fixed by anything being peddled by right wing politics. I'm kinda in a you deserve what you get mode now. They could vote differently and vote policies to help their lives. But they refuse to do so and have for the best part of 15 years now.

Are you...

Clive Palmer? This sounds awfully like his rhetoric, of stupid voters should vote for me or ill relish in the scummy lives they will lead for not voting for me!

 

[ncurd]

Are you...

Clive Palmer? This sounds awfully like his rhetoric, of stupid voters should vote for me or ill relish in the scummy lives they will lead for not voting for me!

I'm ******* sick of this ******* country voting to make their lives worse. My lack of caring is about their feelings being hurt because I'm ****** they keep punching themselves in the face.

50% of the country is below average intelligence and they continue to to show below average is pretty ******* low.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I felt the disillusionment was a genuine factor during Brexit and Trump first election.
But the push now is far far far different.

The Dems pandered so hard to the middle ground and in reality it's why they lost, ZERO to do with disillusionment.

Like how can you claim disillusionment when you have had power and made the choices?
People on that side of the right need to just own that they are sad bigots stop acting like you are the minority, stop acting like you are the downtrodden, stop acting like you have a hard life. Reality is you are spoilt idiots who play victims to the tune of the wealthy.

You had your time in the sun and ruined economies. Nothing the right has done has brought betterment and it's solely because they want to see White folks on tv and in their local shops.

Name me one Right wing change that has brought benefits to the people? Like in all honesty how is the reform changes actually going to benefit the country?


Labour are going to do what the dems did and push more to the right to pander to idiots who won't vote anyone other than their boys and in doing so are going to destroy any chance they have of the let vote.

 

[dirty harry]

I'm ******* sick of this ******* country voting to make their lives worse. My lack of caring is about their feelings being hurt because I'm ****** they keep punching themselves in the face.

50% of the country is below average intelligence and they continue to to show below average is pretty ******* low.

I mean to be fair, your actions are pushing them toward Reform.

Behaviour change is a fascinating subject, and the key elements to instigating it is empathy, and promoting positive ambition and motivations.

Berating the 50% has never, and will never change the way they think or behave, there isn't a single example of someone being called a name and then considering their actions as that insult, like in the history of man kind!

I'll give you an example, a recent service user was assaulted and robbed by a group of young Asian men, he reported it to the police and used racist and anti Islamic terminology while heightened, an officer called him racist and it escalated to an arrest. When released this YP went on a racist online mission, and was again criminalised for malicious communication, he further entrenched himself into online groups, and was being radicalised. None of the many agencies involved with him showed any real empathy toward him, until an Asian support assistant said the words 'I don't think your racist, but...'

All he did was start a conversation, and talk about how trauma like what he went through, can affect the way we think and act.

Don't fet me wrong, it's not a fairytale land where YPs are fixed, but he has now 1 positive relationship with an Asian male and has even visited a mosque etc...

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Why is it always the left that get told to go to a middle ground?

Why couldn't that person see the hate he was causing and activate critical thought?

Why did that person need to make it about race in the first place?

Why is that someone does something wrong but everyone else gets blamed?

Should he have been arrested no, but would anything had changed even if he wasn’t arrested? he was already comfortable enough to use that language he was indoctrinated not after the robbery but well before

 

[ncurd]

Why is it always the left that get told to go to a middle ground?

Why couldn't that person see the hate he was causing and activate critical thought?

Why did that person need to make it about race in the first place?

Why is that someone does something wrong but everyone else gets blamed?

Should he have been arrested no, but would anything had changed even if he was arrested he was already comfortable enough to use that language he was indoctrinated not after the robbery but well before

Because people can't accept their faults and aren't self aware enough. I'm tired of pretending this people can be won over by pandering.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I mean to be fair, your actions are pushing them toward Reform.

Behaviour change is a fascinating subject, and the key elements to instigating it is empathy, and promoting positive ambition and motivations.

Berating the 50% has never, and will never change the way they think or behave, there isn't a single example of someone being called a name and then considering their actions as that insult, like in the history of man kind!

I'll give you an example, a recent service user was assaulted and robbed by a group of young Asian men, he reported it to the police and used racist and anti Islamic terminology while heightened, an officer called him racist and it escalated to an arrest. When released this YP went on a racist online mission, and was again criminalised for malicious communication, he further entrenched himself into online groups, and was being radicalised. None of the many agencies involved with him showed any real empathy toward him, until an Asian support assistant said the words 'I don't think your racist, but...'

All he did was start a conversation, and talk about how trauma like what he went through, can affect the way we think and act.

Don't fet me wrong, it's not a fairytale land where YPs are fixed, but he has now 1 positive relationship with an Asian male and has even visited a mosque etc...

Oh come on, his actions aren't pushing anyone towards anything. The right do this trick where they say "look at this random nobody on the internet saying these mean things" all the while they have some unhinged leader (insert Fararge, Trump etc etc) who hold legitimate power and have millions of followers saying unhinged **** but they have people like you pearl clutching going "oh the humanity look at these random nobodies saying stuff pushing these people to vote for horrible parties and their leaders" it's BS

 

[Ddanno]

I mean to be fair, your actions are pushing them toward Reform.

Behaviour change is a fascinating subject, and the key elements to instigating it is empathy, and promoting positive ambition and motivations.

Berating the 50% has never, and will never change the way they think or behave, there isn't a single example of someone being called a name and then considering their actions as that insult, like in the history of man kind!

I'll give you an example, a recent service user was assaulted and robbed by a group of young Asian men, he reported it to the police and used racist and anti Islamic terminology while heightened, an officer called him racist and it escalated to an arrest. When released this YP went on a racist online mission, and was again criminalised for malicious communication, he further entrenched himself into online groups, and was being radicalised. None of the many agencies involved with him showed any real empathy toward him, until an Asian support assistant said the words 'I don't think your racist, but...'

All he did was start a conversation, and talk about how trauma like what he went through, can affect the way we think and act.

Don't fet me wrong, it's not a fairytale land where YPs are fixed, but he has now 1 positive relationship with an Asian male and has even visited a mosque etc...

Utter ********.

"He committed a racist offence but it's not his fault". Have a word with yourself

 

[ncurd]

Also if someone comes up and start saying racist **** to some police officer I think the police officer is entirely right to think that dude might not be telling the whole truth.

Wife works for the council, you know when people are a problem and they extremely rarely turn out to be people telling a completely squeeky clean story. Especially if they start off by being racist.

 

[ncurd]

 

[dirty harry]

Why is it always the left that get told to go to a middle ground?

Why couldn't that person see the hate he was causing and activate critical thought?

Why did that person need to make it about race in the first place?

Why is that someone does something wrong but everyone else gets blamed?

Should he have been arrested no, but would anything had changed even if he wasn't arrested? he was already comfortable enough to use that language he was indoctrinated not after the robbery but well before

I'm not sure if you've experienced life with street and at risk homeless people, race is regularly a factor in gang crime (no not just including white people).

He definately deserved arrest technically, he said some heinous things, but in the first place he wasn't dealing with victim support, he was dealing with police officers.

My point is empathy is lacking from people who name call, I can attribute this to right wing people, but 1, there doesn't seem to be anybody right wing on this thread, and 2 I can only combat the lack of empathy of those who are doing the name calling. Is these people who want to verbally abuse people who vote a certain way identify as left, then that's the team they've chosen and is fighting on behalf of.

I personally wouldn't verbally abuse anyone for exercising their right to vote, whether that be reform, or green, but that's a personal thing.

 

[dirty harry]

Because people can't accept their faults and aren't self aware enough. I'm tired of pretending this people can be won over by pandering.

Ironic lol

 

[dirty harry]

Oh come on, his actions aren't pushing anyone towards anything. The right do this trick where they say "look at this random nobody on the internet saying these mean things" all the while they have some unhinged leader (insert Fararge, Trump etc etc) who hold legitimate power and have millions of followers saying unhinged **** but they have people like you pearl clutching going "oh the humanity look at these random nobodies saying stuff pushing these people to vote for horrible parties and their leaders" it's BS

Well let's contextualise it here, I disagree with lots of what Farage says, but I also disagree with the attitude of Ncurd of berating and abusing low IQ Reform voters. Both of views can be held consistently no?

We've seen a decade of evidence since 2015 in the USA, call opposition voters names, opposition becomes more powerful, how can you not acknowledge the same happening in Europe and the UK?

 

[ncurd]

As pointed out time and time again in every general election for well over 70 years over 50% of the population have voted for Labour and parties left of them. Stop pandering to the idiots to the right of Labour its only because of FPTP we drift rightwards.

 

[General Melchett]

Preaching about the importance of free speech and then playing the name calling or fake news card when it's not something they want to hear. Can't have it both ways.

 

[Ddanno]

Wahh someone was mean to me now I'm voting for leopard face party. Ridiculous.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Well let's contextualise it here, I disagree with lots of what Farage says, but I also disagree with the attitude of Ncurd of berating and abusing low IQ Reform voters. Both of views can be held consistently no?

We've seen a decade of evidence since 2015 in the USA, call opposition voters names, opposition becomes more powerful, how can you not acknowledge the same happening in Europe and the UK?

That’s fine, disagree with it all you like. I’m just challenging your claim that ncurd is pushing people towards anything. It’s BS.