When Pumas almost "eat" the Lions.

[Superalexmarket]

When the Pumas almost "eat" the Lions.

The year was 2005 and the Lions were preparing the tour for New Zealand, they needed an easy game to take confidence and glorying in front his people; so (they thought) "hey let´s play vs the amateurs boys from southamerica, those of blue and white, don´t remember the name"
The match was playing in the Millennium and the final score was 25-25, with a final penalty kick converted by Wilko in the minute..... 88!!!:huh: (a little robbery I think)
Here the last minutes of that match (the ref should be dress in red)

 

[psychic duck]

This wasn't a full strength Argentina side and to be honest shouldn't have troubled the Lions as much as they did. Todeschini was superb with his goal kicking that day and so was Reggiardo in the scrum coming out of retirement, and the Pumas were unlucky not to win as if they mistimed their kick into touch to finish the match. Allowing the Lions a chance to win a penalty to draw. Argentina really should have won. But they would have taken a draw before the match considering the team had out which was oldies out of retirement or past their best, journeymen, youngsters and Contepomi and Ledesma the only real strong first choice players there. For the Lions it was a poor start to a pretty poor tour. I'd be interested to know what changes Woodward would do in hindsight and if he got a second chance though.

Out of interest, one of those youngsters was Juan Manuel Leguizamon who was discovered in that match and has gone onto have a successful Pumas career.

 

[sifplay]

So you take players of 4 nations throw them in a game together and expect them to play as a team together? I think not.

Other interesting thing is that Rhodesia known as Zimbabwe have managed to beat the All Blacks. A feat not many can say they have achieved. Pumas came close twice against NZ

 

[Feicarsinn]

Without meaning to cheapen the achievements of the Pumas that day, you do have to take into account the lack of preparation the Lions had for the game. The first game of the 2009 tour showed that even when a Lions tour is reasonably well run your first few games are going to be bloody chaotic, regardless of the opposition.

 

[sifplay]

Without meaning to cheapen the achievements of the Pumas that day, you do have to take into account the lack of preparation the Lions had for the game. The first game of the 2009 tour showed that even when a Lions tour is reasonably well run your first few games are going to be bloody chaotic, regardless of the opposition.

That was the problem of that Lions tour to NZ and Woodwards downfall. Two teams not even seeing each other yet played as the Lions and was suppose to be touring together

 

[Feicarsinn]

That was the problem of that Lions tour to NZ and Woodwards downfall. Two teams not even seeing each other yet played as the Lions and was suppose to be touring together

Well, it certainly didn't help. There were a lot of issues with that tour tbh. Firstly the squad was way too big, especially when you factor in the giant coaching ticket that travelled. Then there was the fact that the team was based on an England side that was at least two years over the hill (they probably peaked 2001-2002 if we're being honest) and a style of play that was just as out of date. They also traveled without the real leaders of the last two tours; the like of Woody and Martin Johnson. Then there's the issue that they came up against one of the greatest sides to ever play the game...

 

[sifplay]

Well, it certainly didn't help. There were a lot of issues with that tour tbh. Firstly the squad was way too big, especially when you factor in the giant coaching ticket that travelled. Then there was the fact that the team was based on an England side that was at least two years over the hill (they probably peaked 2001-2002 if we're being honest) and a style of play that was just as out of date. They also traveled without the real leaders of the last two tours; the like of Woody and Martin Johnson. Then there's the issue that they came up against one of the greatest sides to ever play the game...

Nah I have seen better AB sides down the years. Lions did not play as a team. Woodward relied on individuals. Think O'Driscoll was injured as well if I am not mistaken. The 2001 Lions played against a brilliant Wallaby team. What a series that was!

 

[LittleGuy]

So you take players of 4 nations throw them in a game together and expect them to play as a team together? I think not.

Other interesting thing is that Rhodesia known as Zimbabwe have managed to beat the All Blacks. A feat not many can say they have achieved. Pumas came close twice against NZ

I just tried for like 10 minutes to find this. Do you have a link?

 

[Superalexmarket]

Why not a southern mix touring the north hemisphere? They could be called "The Penguins" or " The Meridionals" or some crap like that...

 

[sifplay]

I just tried for like 10 minutes to find this. Do you have a link?

Sure
http://www.rugby-talk.com/2012/04/the-day-rhodesia-beat-the-all-blacks/

 

[sifplay]

Why not a southern mix touring the north hemisphere? They could be called "The Penguins" or " The Meridionals" or some crap like that...

NH struggle to beat SH teams on their own. What chance do they have against the best the SH got and against a team who is coached in a professional environment and had time to prepare and to gel?

 

[Superalexmarket]

NH struggle to beat SH teams on their own. What chance do they have against the best the SH got and against a team who is coached in a professional environment and had time to prepare and to gel?

I know, just joking.

 

[ZeFrenchy]

Think O'Driscoll was injured as well if I am not mistaken.

Brace yourselves. The Irish are coming.

 

[sifplay]

Brace yourselves. The Irish are coming.

That is just disgusting. Eeeuw Irish pron

 

[ZeFrenchy]

That is just disgusting. Eeeuw Irish pron

Lol, it's just that BOD's injury is an often discussed topic pretty much everywhere there is Irish people. I'll let you judge by yourself, and you can scroll down to the comments for a sample of what that topic becomes more often than not (most of the times, someone ends up mentioning Hitler and then the discussion ends)

 

[sifplay]

Lol, it's just that BOD's injury is an often discussed topic pretty much everywhere there is Irish people. I'll let you judge by yourself, and you can scroll down to the comments for a sample of what that topic becomes more often than not (most of the times, someone ends up mentioning Hitler and then the discussion ends)

Considering what their golden generation have achieved is there really anything else to talk or gloat about other than BOD for them?

 

[psychic duck]

Without meaning to cheapen the achievements of the Pumas that day, you do have to take into account the lack of preparation the Lions had for the game. The first game of the 2009 tour showed that even when a Lions tour is reasonably well run your first few games are going to be bloody chaotic, regardless of the opposition.

That Argentina team had even worse preparation though. If you consider that the forwards from 4-8 had about 20 caps between them combined, mainly against other South American nations. 2 of the 3 front rowers had to be brought out of retirement to play due to the struggle to get players available with the match coinciding with the Top 14 playoffs. There really was little excuse to only draw to that Pumas side that was arguably more chaotically prepared than the Lions given the frantic way the team was assembled.

http://www.espnscrum.com/england/rugby/match/24918.html

For the 2013 tour opener against the Barbarians. Considering the calibre of names the Baabaas have got for that with Parisse, Fourie, Fotuali'i, Nick Evans all playing. Then that could well be a huge struggle for the Lions given that they won't get the advantage of longer preparation like when the Barbarians normally play national sides, and also Parisse, Fotuali'i and Nick Evans are better than the Lions options in those positions. So the Barbarians may well actually be favourites to win that.

 

[big ginger 8]

Lol, it's just that BOD's injury is an often discussed topic pretty much everywhere there is Irish people. I'll let you judge by yourself, and you can scroll down to the comments for a sample of what that topic becomes more often than not (most of the times, someone ends up mentioning Hitler and then the discussion ends)

New Zealanders bring it up more.

Considering what their golden generation have achieved is there really anything else to talk or gloat about other than BOD for them?

Golden genration is untrue it's just a term used because we'd had some terrible teams in the 90's before the "golden generation's" emergence but yeah they gave us a lot to talk about some fantastic players a Grand Slam, a number of triple crowns. and those wins against South Africa weren't to bad either.

 

[Big Ewis]

NH struggle to beat SH teams on their own. What chance do they have against the best the SH got and against a team who is coached in a professional environment and had time to prepare and to gel?

...France could pull it off
nahhhhhhh...well, who knows.

Superalexmarket: thx for this thread, I'd read that score line, remembered Argentina had drawn with the Lions recently but I had no clue about the circumstances. First of all, at "home" for the Lions and they still almost lost this, damn...not even full strength argy side says Psychic ?...bad game for the Lions obviously, but 88th minute penalty that's just a fkn farce. The entire sports industry is rigged anyways, just a matter of it being obvious for us to ask ourselves the questions. Never heard of fkn minute 88, just wtf :lol:
oh well...

But more on about this composite team concept:
we've talked about it before, that it's the culture of the Lions etc...the history that binds them and all...but I'd srs love to see more of it. I honestly feel a France-Italy-Argentina is due at some point, Italian rugby owing so much to France (even have a French coach these days...), play in our league, a bunch of Argies in our league including some of the best like Lobbe, Hernandez...
A similar style, at least France and Argentina well even Italy this year can play a flashy, flamboyant style on attack, all 3 are traditional mammoths in the scrum and all 3 have similar DNA to produce incredible defense (all 3 against AUS and NZ, just to give recent 2012 examples...).

So I mean it's not just some ideological thing to unite all 3 nations there truly is a great deal of technical similarities and ties...I think it could create one massive unit, just imagine the scrums and the beautiful attack this could produce.


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[Superalexmarket]

Ey, Yoe...it's a shame do not continue playing the Latin Cup, remember? (France, Italy, Romania and Argentina)