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[dirty harry]

Literally your post history:

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Not in the slightest, ive criticised Trump continuously, I've advocated for nationalisation in certain sectors, and railed against the wests turn to the anti immigration right wing parties...

You just don't understand an empathetic approach to counter these things. And i understand it, the level of empathy and honesty here is staggeringly low, the constant verbal abuse that has hounded numerous others out, and that i get has become normalised on these threads, but nevertheless I understand that this comes from a good intentioned, if uninformed and ignorant place.

You just have to pay a little bit of attention to what's being said, rationally and without a viscerally emotional reaction to anything that doesn't scream 'Trump bad'.

I am going to save your souls, and I understand that you won't like it, it's easier to keep fooling a fool than convince him he's being fooled after all, but every thread needs someone to avoid that dangerous dellusion of an echo chamber.

The sad part is we are all aligned on 90% of issues, I just disagree on how to reach the goals.

 

[Welsh Exile]

So the children saved at the Spinal injury hospital, that was saved in part by Savilles fundraising, you wouldn't commend that? Savilles role in that fundraising is bad, because he committed heinous acts elsewhere?

Your absolutely only thinking in a binary, Saville bad, therefore you can't congratulate or comend any act he committed. So every act of Savilles must be disowned?

As there is no such thing as the perfect person, and we all do bad things, at what point does anyone get any commendation from you? It seems to me that you will just argue non stop to avoid giving Trump the tiniest amount of commendation, and that's why MAGA make accusations that this hate isn't rational.

I think we just have different views on morality to be honest.

 

[McTallshort]

Good to see Harry is using Jimmy Saville as a positive example when talking about Trump, a big improvement from the whole Tate brothers/Borat thing he posted a while back.

 

[dirty harry]

Good to see Harry is using Jimmy Saville as a positive example when talking about Trump, a big improvement from the whole Tate brothers/Borat thing he posted a while back.

I brought Saville up did i?

 

[dirty harry]

I think we just have different views on morality to be honest.

I don't think we do, we would both wince at Savilles heinous acts, and we would both feel good for the little child who's spine was mended at Stoke Mandevillle...

I think you won't concede that spinal operation was a good thing, because that leads you to have to comend Trump for evidenced good acts, like giving money to charity. And that's a very important distinction that leads to a scenario where your very valid criticisms are dismissed by a growing right wing as TDS.

But let's check, does the British empire get the Donald Trump treatment? Was the British empire good or bad for the world?

 

[McTallshort]

I brought Saville up did i?

Hey! Don't have a go. I think it's spot on comparing a vile pedophile, who hid in plain site and used his charity work and power to abuse vulnerable children to Jimmy Saville. It's inspired me to go litter picking or take some disadvantaged kids to learn martial arts in the hope they will raid a weed farm.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I don't think we do, we would both wince at Savilles heinous acts, and we would both feel good for the little child who's spine was mended at Stoke Mandevillle...

I think you won't concede that spinal operation was a good thing, because that leads you to have to comend Trump for evidenced good acts, like giving money to charity. And that's a very important distinction that leads to a scenario where your very valid criticisms are dismissed by a growing right wing as TDS.

But let's check, does the British empire get the Donald Trump treatment? Was the British empire good or bad for the world?

Yes, we fundamentally have a different outlook on morality. You seem to be focussed on outcomes only whereas I will put a lot more onus on motivation of said person carrying out whatever action. It's why I asked you if you are a utilitarian as they tend to focus pretty much solely on outcomes when attributing a moral good to something.

You would congratulate Saville on his charity work whereas I would give him no credit as the motivations behind his "good" actions were clearly immoral and self serving even though they sometimes resulted in positive outcomes.

 

[General Melchett]

Maybe Prince Andrew has been misunderstood and deserves credit for helping to put food on the table of young female masseuses.

 

[Welsh Exile]

It's pretty wild to not be able to think of something good he's done. It does kind of annoy me that I can't to be honest as there must be something. 1 thing. One simple thing he's done out of the goodness of his heart.

Even Hitler sorting out the motorways, at least he did that out of, I would imagine, his sense of instilling good work ethic into the German people while at the same time building good infrastructure to support Germany. Has Trump built any good new motorways? He must've built something that he did because he thought it was good? So far it's Hitler 1 Trump 0. Uh oh, I've just done the Hitler Trump thing. At least I'm saying Hitler was better than Trump in this instance.

 

[General Melchett]

It's pretty wild to not be able to think of something good he's done. It does kind of annoy me that I can't to be honest as there must be something. 1 thing. One simple thing he's done out of the goodness of his heart.

Even Hitler sorting out the motorways, at least he did that out of, I would imagine, his sense of instilling good work ethic into the German people while at the same time building good infrastructure to support Germany. Has Trump built any good new motorways? He must've built something that he did because he thought it was good? So far it's Hitler 1 Trump 0. Uh oh, I've just done the Hitler Trump thing. At least I'm saying Hitler was better than Trump in this instance.

Part of my previous job involved identifying 'dominant individual syndrome' within businesses. Trump fits the bill perfectly. It's not unusual for CEOs and GMs to have a bit of an ego or aura but he's the sort of person who walks into a room and expects everyone to stop what they're doing and focus on him while he holds court. A showman who always needs to be the centre of attention. These sort of people are generally self serving bullies and are not interested in collaboration, helping others or thinking about things from a team or group perspective. It's all about him. I think this is why it's hard to think of anything good he has done for anyone other than himself.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Part of my previous job involved identifying 'dominant individual syndrome' within businesses. Trump fits the bill perfectly. He's the sort of person who walks into a room and expects everyone to stop what they're doing and focus on him while he holds court. A showman who always needs to be the centre of attention. These sort of people are generally not interested in collaboration, helping others or thinking about things from a team or group perspective. It's all about him. This is why it's hard to think of anything good he has done for anyone other than himself.

Yeah true. I want to say it’s a billionaire thing but he doesn’t really act like a billionaire. He acts more like a homeless crack head than he does a billionaire.

Having said that, one thing that Harry did say I agree with is that you’ll be hard pushed to find any billionaire who’s isn’t a piece of **** or at least did some bad stuff to get to being where they are. Bill Gates seems like a good dude though and I don’t know anything shady in his past (unless you think he’s put microchips in everyone of course)

 

[General Melchett]

Yeah true. I want to say it's a billionaire thing but he doesn't really act like a billionaire. He acts more like a homeless crack head than he does a billionaire.

Having said that, one thing that Harry did say I agree with is that you'll be hard pushed to find any billionaire who's isn't a piece of **** or at least did some bad stuff to get to being where they are. Bill Gates seems like a good dude though and I don't know anything shady in his past (unless you think he's put microchips in everyone of course)

Yeah I would expect most billionaires to be extremely driven and have a ruthless streak unless perhaps they're a royal. Like other ruthless billionaires I'm sure Trump has shafted many people over the years but I will credit him for being extremely driven, ultra competitive and full of energy even if the main beneficiary is himself. For someone of his age and obesity level he never looks jaded or tired.

The two reported main reasons he doesn't drink alcohol is because he lost an older brother to alcoholism and he doesn't want to give a competitive edge to people he's dealing with by dulling his senses with alcohol. Biden was also teetotal but I don't recall Harry crediting him for that.

 

[McTallshort]

Yeah true. I want to say it's a billionaire thing but he doesn't really act like a billionaire. He acts more like a homeless crack head than he does a billionaire.

Having said that, one thing that Harry did say I agree with is that you'll be hard pushed to find any billionaire who's isn't a piece of **** or at least did some bad stuff to get to being where they are. Bill Gates seems like a good dude though and I don't know anything shady in his past (unless you think he's put microchips in everyone of course)

The big thing for me with Trump is how fragile his ego is. The way he looses it over any slight or push back is amazing. It's like dealing with a teenager with anger issues. I would say Musk is the same but Musk is on drugs so it's difficult to see his real personality.

 

[General Melchett]

The big thing for me with Trump is how fragile his ego is. The way he looses it over any slight or push back is amazing. It's like dealing with a teenager with anger issues. I would say Musk is the same but Musk is on drugs so it's difficult to see his real personality.

Yeah he'll have been surrounded by yes people for most of his life who haven't dare to challenge or criticise him. The TACO question from the journo was a prime example of how easy it is to get under his skin. He's an entitled man child who can't handle criticism. It's why he spends most of his day watching Fox News in the Whitehouse dining room.

 

[Saintjay]

I always felt it was wrong the Nuremberg trials never took into account charity work and love of kittens.

Maybe people should tell child abuse victims they are one eyed and should see the good there abuser did. They lack empathy and so on.

 

[McTallshort]

I always felt it was wrong the Nuremberg trials never took into account charity work and love of kittens.

Maybe people should tell child abuse victims they are one eyed and should see the good there abuser did. They lack empathy and so on.

Hitler was also Teetotal and a veggie

 

[Yulia]

and painter

 

[dirty harry]

Yes, we fundamentally have a different outlook on morality. You seem to be focussed on outcomes only whereas I will put a lot more onus on motivation of said person carrying out whatever action. It's why I asked you if you are a utilitarian as they tend to focus pretty much solely on outcomes when attributing a moral good to something.

You would congratulate Saville on his charity work whereas I would give him no credit as the motivations behind his "good" actions were clearly immoral and self serving even though they sometimes resulted in positive outcomes.

Congratulate? I would acknowledge and comend the money raised for the spinal injury unit, as would the children who benefit from it. Would you protest outside of it because of where the money came from?

And what about the British empire, I assume because their goal was global domination, and they committed atrocities, that no good came from it?

 

[dirty harry]

It's pretty wild to not be able to think of something good he's done. It does kind of annoy me that I can't to be honest as there must be something. 1 thing. One simple thing he's done out of the goodness of his heart.

Even Hitler sorting out the motorways, at least he did that out of, I would imagine, his sense of instilling good work ethic into the German people while at the same time building good infrastructure to support Germany. Has Trump built any good new motorways? He must've built something that he did because he thought it was good? So far it's Hitler 1 Trump 0. Uh oh, I've just done the Hitler Trump thing. At least I'm saying Hitler was better than Trump in this instance.

Is this, Hitler better than Trump confirmed, in your eyes? Seriously? **** it, maybe TDS is a real diagnosable problem...

 

[dirty harry]

The big thing for me with Trump is how fragile his ego is. The way he looses it over any slight or push back is amazing. It's like dealing with a teenager with anger issues. I would say Musk is the same but Musk is on drugs so it's difficult to see his real personality.

The ASD is probably more responsible for Musks behaviours, I'm not sure shaming him for that is fair