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Is it true that the French Top14 insist on three front row forwards for each game? I also heard that their rules force the team with the injury to play with 14 men?

These sound so beautifully simple that I dont understand why other leagues dont do the same, especially the second one. Any ideas?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Logorrhea @ Aug 18 2009, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Is it true that the French Top14 insist on three front row forwards for each game? I also heard that their rules force the team with the injury to play with 14 men?

These sound so beautifully simple that I dont understand why other leagues dont do the same, especially the second one. Any ideas?[/b]

So if somebody is beast others must follow? :eek: :eek: :eek: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
It's a world rule for Rugby Union, you must have three designated players who train at Prop and Hooker to contest scrums, usually you need one reserve prop too, look at the Barbarians game last year where Dunning and Kepu got injured and they went uncontested.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Woldog @ Aug 18 2009, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
It's a world rule for Rugby Union, you must have three designated players who train at Prop and Hooker to contest scrums, usually you need one reserve prop too, look at the Barbarians game last year where Dunning and Kepu got injured and they went uncontested.[/b]

I think he meant that you have to have 3 front row forwards on the bench (of 8b players) rather than the usual situation of 1 hooker and one Prop situation. I've heard this too. And there's an easy way of checking. It's called look at the benches from the weekends Top 14 matches.

I had the plan. Someone else can check. BoombooM!
 
Playing with 14 men? So you're tellnig me being on the recieving end of a dangeorous tackle is just as bad as making that dangerous tackle?
 
Not often though that props are dumped on their heads mind. Unless Wasps are playing of course... Amazing how fragile their squad always gets at the 50 minute mark...
 
Well, the rules have now been changed to across the WHOLE WIDE WORLD!!!!!

In all competitions, teams will now be allowed 8 subs, 2 must be props and one must be a hooker.

If it goes to uncontested scrums, the team with the front row injuries will not be allowed bring on a replacement for the last injured front row player.

http://planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_5500244,00.html
 
Was I correctly lead to believe there's a worldwide shortage of front-row players anyway because all the kids now want to be backs? Maybe something like this will be good for inspiring the clubs and unions in developing & promoting the position with youngsters, albeit cause some issues in the short term.
 
And allow specialist scrumagers back onto the bench instead of these "he can play on both sides (badly)" type of props.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Aug 19 2009, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Was I correctly lead to believe there's a worldwide shortage of front-row players anyway because all the kids now want to be backs? Maybe something like this will be good for inspiring the clubs and unions in developing & promoting the position with youngsters, albeit cause some issues in the short term.[/b]
Solution? Promote childhood obesity.
 
http://www.irishrugby.ie/283_18045.php
http://www.irb.com/mm/document/lawsregs/0/...smlaw3_8811.pdf
The IRB has just addressed this issue:
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The International Rugby Board Council has sanctioned new measures that will empower National Unions to address the issue of uncontested scrums within their respective domestic competitions.
The move was initiated by IRB Council following requests by several Unions to address the issue as there has been an increase in uncontested scrums within some high profile domestic and cross-border competitions in recent years.

An alteration to Law 3 governing the number of replacements permitted in a match came into effect on July 28, 2009 and applies to the game globally. The alteration allows National Unions with jurisdiction over matches in their territory the option of allowing up to eight named replacements in a matchday squad.

This will also operate for cross-border club or provincial competitions with the agreement of the respective Unions involved.

If a Union allows the naming of 23 players in a matchday squad for any domestic competition, there must be a minimum of three specialist front row players within the named eight replacements comprising two props and a hooker.

Once all front row replacements have been utilised, and there is a further front row injury, and no fit front row player is available from the original starting team or replacement bench, the injured player will leave the field but may not be replaced.

This is a change to the existing laws and ensures, in playing with 14 men, that a team going to uncontested scrums does not gain an advantage.


At this stage the amendments to Law 3 are for domestic implementation only by respective Unions, but the IRB will monitor the implementation of the amended law within competitions.

The implementation will not apply to international matches.

IRB Chairman Bernard Lapasset said: "The IRB's Member Unions requested that Council investigate suitable measures to address the issue of uncontested scrums within their own domestic competitions.

"Establishing a protocol that maximises the opportunity for matches to finish with meaningful scrums, while maintaining the highest regard for player welfare and safety, was a critical factor.

"The solution needed to tackle the circumstances that lead to uncontested scrums, while ensuring that the unique shape and character of the scrum is retained.

"A process of thorough consultation and evaluation was undertaken, while a practical assessment in France demonstrated the merits of the alterations."

The model proved extremely successful in the French trials.

In 2007/08, an IRB-sanctioned evaluation in France saw the number of uncontested scrums dramatically reduced to just two in 994 matches in the top three divisions, compared to 145 matches finishing with uncontested scrums during the 2006/07 season.

The IRB works tirelessly with its 116 Member Unions and six Regional Associations to ensure the delivery of the best possible techniques for playing, coaching and refereeing this critical area of the game.[/b]
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Aug 19 2009, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Was I correctly lead to believe there's a worldwide shortage of front-row players anyway because all the kids now want to be backs? Maybe something like this will be good for inspiring the clubs and unions in developing & promoting the position with youngsters, albeit cause some issues in the short term.[/b]

I think you're right about short term issues. Props are already at a premium, unfortunately this could lead to clubs 'pulling up' props from lower levels just to sit on the bench so that they're not getting match experience.
 

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