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<blockquote data-quote="Peat" data-source="post: 637329" data-attributes="member: 42330"><p>He's not. He's responsible for what he affects as England coach and not responsible for what happens outside his aegis.</p><p></p><p>Launchbury looked like he was born to be a superstar at the JWC. I'm not sure he'd even met Lancaster at that point. Yeah, Lancaster deserves credit for picking him, and seems to be doing a reasonable job of bringing him on, but we're not talking huge amounts of credit. It's not like he was a left-field choice or like he's suddenly become ten thousand times better since associating with him. When it comes to Launchbury, Lancaster is doing the job I'd expect any other international coach to be able to do.</p></blockquote><p>We beat New Zealand and lost by 8 points too them next time around, I don't really know how fluky that is, I just think that he has done pretty well against them. We were a bounce of a ball away from winning the grand slam, he still has too select the players and he has selected some poor players (Botha, Johnson, Strettle) but has also selected lots of young players and made some great decisions, Robshaw as captain, Parling coming in. With winning down south, he had the tour against South Africa, lost the first 2 then he drew the last one. Not too bad considering that he hadn't been in charge a year, how many teams go down to Joburg and actually get a result.[/QUOTE]</p><p></p><p>We lost to New Zealand by 10 points under Johnson. Does 2 points - I don't count the win, it was fantastic but clearly such a one-off freak result in unusual circumstances - count as a reason to fete someone?</p><p></p><p>Yeah, he's made some good decisions. He's even made a few great ones - Tom Youngs' selection was inspired. </p><p></p><p>We are wandering away from the point. I feel that Lancaster was left with some solid foundations to work with and that people forget that - although ragerancher makes an excellent point about the culture. A lot of what has people purring about Lancaster is his record as a transformative coach. I feel that is overstated and that some of the stuff he changed he didn't have to. You talked up how he saved us from being a laughing stock, that he had to blood a whole bunch of players and untested partnerships... I disagree. If he's brought through more youngsters than other international coaches, it should be noted that the academy system is spewing out riches. The 2011 team was insanely good and they are the right age. Bringing in players like Launchbury isn't a disadvantage for an international coach, it's an advantage.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Peat, post: 637329, member: 42330"] He's not. He's responsible for what he affects as England coach and not responsible for what happens outside his aegis. Launchbury looked like he was born to be a superstar at the JWC. I'm not sure he'd even met Lancaster at that point. Yeah, Lancaster deserves credit for picking him, and seems to be doing a reasonable job of bringing him on, but we're not talking huge amounts of credit. It's not like he was a left-field choice or like he's suddenly become ten thousand times better since associating with him. When it comes to Launchbury, Lancaster is doing the job I'd expect any other international coach to be able to do. [/quote]We beat New Zealand and lost by 8 points too them next time around, I don't really know how fluky that is, I just think that he has done pretty well against them. We were a bounce of a ball away from winning the grand slam, he still has too select the players and he has selected some poor players (Botha, Johnson, Strettle) but has also selected lots of young players and made some great decisions, Robshaw as captain, Parling coming in. With winning down south, he had the tour against South Africa, lost the first 2 then he drew the last one. Not too bad considering that he hadn't been in charge a year, how many teams go down to Joburg and actually get a result.[/QUOTE] We lost to New Zealand by 10 points under Johnson. Does 2 points - I don't count the win, it was fantastic but clearly such a one-off freak result in unusual circumstances - count as a reason to fete someone? Yeah, he's made some good decisions. He's even made a few great ones - Tom Youngs' selection was inspired. We are wandering away from the point. I feel that Lancaster was left with some solid foundations to work with and that people forget that - although ragerancher makes an excellent point about the culture. A lot of what has people purring about Lancaster is his record as a transformative coach. I feel that is overstated and that some of the stuff he changed he didn't have to. You talked up how he saved us from being a laughing stock, that he had to blood a whole bunch of players and untested partnerships... I disagree. If he's brought through more youngsters than other international coaches, it should be noted that the academy system is spewing out riches. The 2011 team was insanely good and they are the right age. Bringing in players like Launchbury isn't a disadvantage for an international coach, it's an advantage. [/QUOTE]
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