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<blockquote data-quote="Bruce_ma gooshvili" data-source="post: 867446" data-attributes="member: 74121"><p>Christ. Another Ched Evans type scenario with the suggestion of three males involved. I'll jump the gun on this one as it is a pet peeve of mine. Apologies if this causes offence. </p><p></p><p>Question: How many men with no previous convictions for sexual offences escalate their offending straight to the most severe sexual offence (rape) and choose to do so infront of witnesses?</p><p></p><p>Answer: None. </p><p></p><p>If they have had their jollies with a lass who has been on a night out and had a few drinks, but consented to leave with them at the end of the night, then they deserve little sympathy and, like Ched Evans, are not people I'd have any respect for. But there is something woefully wrong with justice in the UK if we label men like that rapists and sentence them in the same way. Not to say how demeaning and undermining it is to genuine victims of rape who have been overpowered and abused by relatives, carers and strangers in situations that they in no way shape or form contributed to. </p><p></p><p>Like Ched Evans it will be a complete lottery if Jackson ends up with a 5 year stretch or walking away free. The law on rape as it stands allows nothing inbetween, because apparently all "rapes" are of equal severity (unlike all violent offences that are legally enshrined as being of different severity with a scale of sentences to suit accordingly). Evidence will be near non-existent and/or reliant on novice psychology by witnesses who are members of the public and have seen the lass on the night, but been so concerned for her welfare they have done nothing. It will be interesting what the fella is getting done for attempt to pervert the course of justice for. That might be the only element of the case that can give any firm indication of wrongdoing. Probably they have filmed the escapade and binned the phone, which proves nothing. </p><p></p><p>Make sure you never get yourself in a "he said, she said" situation with a lass who has had a few drinks. You are particularly vulnerable if she has a boyfriend or a strict upbringing as she may find accusing you of rape less of a mental ordeal than being caught out being unfaithful or risk being shunned by an old fashioned family as being a tart. It goes without saying triple teaming a lass is not becoming of a gentleman too. </p><p></p><p>Mercifully there only seems to be this painfully low threshold of evidence in sexual offences. If someone goes to court for a non-sexual offence they are 99% sure to be guilty as sin. </p><p></p><p>On rugby terms Paddy and Olding better be getting their full salaries. Their careers will be ruined like Ched Evans even if it is found there is zero evidence that the lass didn't consent so this will be their last big paychecks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bruce_ma gooshvili, post: 867446, member: 74121"] Christ. Another Ched Evans type scenario with the suggestion of three males involved. I'll jump the gun on this one as it is a pet peeve of mine. Apologies if this causes offence. Question: How many men with no previous convictions for sexual offences escalate their offending straight to the most severe sexual offence (rape) and choose to do so infront of witnesses? Answer: None. If they have had their jollies with a lass who has been on a night out and had a few drinks, but consented to leave with them at the end of the night, then they deserve little sympathy and, like Ched Evans, are not people I'd have any respect for. But there is something woefully wrong with justice in the UK if we label men like that rapists and sentence them in the same way. Not to say how demeaning and undermining it is to genuine victims of rape who have been overpowered and abused by relatives, carers and strangers in situations that they in no way shape or form contributed to. Like Ched Evans it will be a complete lottery if Jackson ends up with a 5 year stretch or walking away free. The law on rape as it stands allows nothing inbetween, because apparently all "rapes" are of equal severity (unlike all violent offences that are legally enshrined as being of different severity with a scale of sentences to suit accordingly). Evidence will be near non-existent and/or reliant on novice psychology by witnesses who are members of the public and have seen the lass on the night, but been so concerned for her welfare they have done nothing. It will be interesting what the fella is getting done for attempt to pervert the course of justice for. That might be the only element of the case that can give any firm indication of wrongdoing. Probably they have filmed the escapade and binned the phone, which proves nothing. Make sure you never get yourself in a "he said, she said" situation with a lass who has had a few drinks. You are particularly vulnerable if she has a boyfriend or a strict upbringing as she may find accusing you of rape less of a mental ordeal than being caught out being unfaithful or risk being shunned by an old fashioned family as being a tart. It goes without saying triple teaming a lass is not becoming of a gentleman too. Mercifully there only seems to be this painfully low threshold of evidence in sexual offences. If someone goes to court for a non-sexual offence they are 99% sure to be guilty as sin. On rugby terms Paddy and Olding better be getting their full salaries. Their careers will be ruined like Ched Evans even if it is found there is zero evidence that the lass didn't consent so this will be their last big paychecks. [/QUOTE]
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