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<blockquote data-quote="Bruce_ma gooshvili" data-source="post: 818288" data-attributes="member: 74121"><p>Thanks, and I do know about the 50% pledge and I can see why it gets alarm bells ringing (personally I'd settle for say 25% as that would have been plenty in my mind to help contribute to a broader uptake of the sport in the country). But three years out from the next RWC surely, if there is any hope of implementing a quota, they'd have to be blooding a lot of new non-white talent to have any realistic chance of getting near that 50% level? There is no sign of it really happening and this year would have been the perfect year as there is a new coach and there are so many old hands have retired after the RWC (as I am led to believe). I can see no way that 5, 6 or 7 non-whites in the 23 is remotely on track for 50% by RWC 2019. It might not even be on track for 7 out of 23 for 2019!</p><p></p><p>I know I'm probably coming across as pedantic, but the sports minister announced the 50% <em>target</em> for RWC 2019 (rather than a quota). As I say, targets aren't binding and I'm fairly confident that unless the ANC changes its position, there is no prospect of them making that target (which is probably what their internal report said and why rubgy, cricket, netball unions are now banned from applying for their next World Cups).</p><p></p><p></p><p><u>A friendly wager?</u></p><p></p><p>We are miles away from the next world cup, so I appreciate it if nobody is interested. But I'd be happy to put my reputation (and/or a wee bit of money) where my mouth is and would happily wager the following:</p><p></p><p>i) There will not be 50% (or more) non-white players in the South Africa squad at the next RWC in 2019 (thereby missing that target/quota)</p><p></p><p>ii) There will be other occassions between now and the next RWC when the South African national side will have less than 7 non-white players in the squad of 23 (thereby missing that quota/target on at least one further occassion)</p><p></p><p>iii) There will be other occassions between now and the next RWC when the South African Super Rugby sides will have less than 7 non-white players in the squad of 23 (thereby missing that target/quota on at least one further occassion)</p><p></p><p>If <strong><em><u>any </u></em></strong>of the above three conditions are not met, then I would lose the bet and I would concede that it would be a clear indication of behind the scenes string pulling to impose quotas by the ANC. However, if all three conditions were met, then I'd be able to argue that the media are being a bit mischevious, that there were no quotas in place from 2015-19 and that the Sports Minister and SARU were accurate in their statements that no quotas have been imposed.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The conditions of the bet would be:</p><p></p><p>i) Its a one-on-one bet (so I'm not paying out to 50 people if the ANC harden their stance!).</p><p>ii) The winner gets to pick the loser's avatar and signature for a year (one pick only for the whole year, and obviously as long as it isn't a profanity or against forum rules).</p><p>iii) A modest donation (say £10) is to be made by the loser to the charity of the winner's choice (taking into account exchange rates incase either the Rand or Sterling plummet further (both of which sadly are distinct possibilities) so that the loser isn't paying half a week's wages).</p><p></p><p>If you are convinced that the ANC are imposing quotas, then this is easy money people! Any takers?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bruce_ma gooshvili, post: 818288, member: 74121"] Thanks, and I do know about the 50% pledge and I can see why it gets alarm bells ringing (personally I'd settle for say 25% as that would have been plenty in my mind to help contribute to a broader uptake of the sport in the country). But three years out from the next RWC surely, if there is any hope of implementing a quota, they'd have to be blooding a lot of new non-white talent to have any realistic chance of getting near that 50% level? There is no sign of it really happening and this year would have been the perfect year as there is a new coach and there are so many old hands have retired after the RWC (as I am led to believe). I can see no way that 5, 6 or 7 non-whites in the 23 is remotely on track for 50% by RWC 2019. It might not even be on track for 7 out of 23 for 2019! I know I'm probably coming across as pedantic, but the sports minister announced the 50% [I]target[/I] for RWC 2019 (rather than a quota). As I say, targets aren't binding and I'm fairly confident that unless the ANC changes its position, there is no prospect of them making that target (which is probably what their internal report said and why rubgy, cricket, netball unions are now banned from applying for their next World Cups). [U]A friendly wager?[/U] We are miles away from the next world cup, so I appreciate it if nobody is interested. But I'd be happy to put my reputation (and/or a wee bit of money) where my mouth is and would happily wager the following: i) There will not be 50% (or more) non-white players in the South Africa squad at the next RWC in 2019 (thereby missing that target/quota) ii) There will be other occassions between now and the next RWC when the South African national side will have less than 7 non-white players in the squad of 23 (thereby missing that quota/target on at least one further occassion) iii) There will be other occassions between now and the next RWC when the South African Super Rugby sides will have less than 7 non-white players in the squad of 23 (thereby missing that target/quota on at least one further occassion) If [B][I][U]any [/U][/I][/B]of the above three conditions are not met, then I would lose the bet and I would concede that it would be a clear indication of behind the scenes string pulling to impose quotas by the ANC. However, if all three conditions were met, then I'd be able to argue that the media are being a bit mischevious, that there were no quotas in place from 2015-19 and that the Sports Minister and SARU were accurate in their statements that no quotas have been imposed. The conditions of the bet would be: i) Its a one-on-one bet (so I'm not paying out to 50 people if the ANC harden their stance!). ii) The winner gets to pick the loser's avatar and signature for a year (one pick only for the whole year, and obviously as long as it isn't a profanity or against forum rules). iii) A modest donation (say £10) is to be made by the loser to the charity of the winner's choice (taking into account exchange rates incase either the Rand or Sterling plummet further (both of which sadly are distinct possibilities) so that the loser isn't paying half a week's wages). If you are convinced that the ANC are imposing quotas, then this is easy money people! Any takers? [/QUOTE]
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