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<blockquote data-quote="TRF_heineken" data-source="post: 818024" data-attributes="member: 40658"><p>Let me respond to the bolded part and say yes.</p><p></p><p>Important players in Europe:</p><p>We have always had this issue since 1996, and have become accustomed to the exodus of our players, and up to 2015, we have always included those NH based players in the Springbok team, they were selected based on merit. 2016 has however changed a few things. And there's a call, especially from old Springboks to rather pick local based players. But with that said, we still selected a few NH based players. Steven Kitshoff, Duane Vermeulen, Bryan Habana and Francois Louw as an example.</p><p></p><p>Current SA Economy:</p><p>What has changed to the current economy as opposed to 1997? Our Currency is just as poor as it was then, we still have corruption and are still looking at outside investors. Nothing on this front has really changed.</p><p></p><p>International Rugby Style/Rules to a more open game:</p><p>Perhaps here is an area where we have to adapt. But people tend to have the notion that we can't play running rugby, when in fact we can. When we won the 2007 World cup and thereafter up to the end of PDV era, we used a more conservative play style, because it worked in our favour. We had kickers in Percy Montgomery and Morne Steyn who had 80%+ kicking succes from as far as the halfway line, and it was easier for us to grind it out and kick for goal. Some may find this boring rugby, yes, but it was a style that won us games, and trophies. But that didn't mean we never scored tries. Prior to 2007 we played a bit more open and at some stages it worked well and at other stages it didn't. I think the one game that comes to mind was the 2004 Tri-Nations match against the All Blacks when Marius Joubert scored a hat-trick.</p><p></p><p>What is frustrating me, personally is that we are now trying to play like the All Blacks. And we shouldn't, because we aren't the All Blacks. We are the Springboks and we should play like the Springboks. Even with rule changes and styles changing, we can still be one of the best teams in the world and still not lose our identity. As an example, I'll use the changes at the rucks over the years. When changes came to the ruck situation, and players could more easily turnover possession, a term for a flanker emerged as a poacher. And I think we can all agree that we had one of the best in the business in Heinrich Brussouw.</p><p></p><p>Recent Years, Domestic Competitions constant change:</p><p>Since the professional era began for rugby, there has always been constant changes, not just in recent years. First it was the Super 10, then Super 12, then Super 14, then Super 15 and now Super 18. We have grown accustomed to this, just like New Zealand and Australia.</p><p></p><p>As for Domestic Competitions, the Currie Cup as also frequently changed. in the 90's we didn't have a premier division and a second division, we had just one division, and the tournament was contested by 14-20 teams. In the 2000's we found that there was a clear difference between the bigger unions and the smaller unions, due to the professional nature of the sport has become, and we reverted to the 2 division system. But still there were changes, sometimes on a yearly basis. Sometimes the Currie Cup premier division was just 6 teams, other times it was 8 or 10 or 12, this year it's 9 teams.</p><p></p><p>Basically, the point I'm trying to get across is that everything else, apart from the quota system, has always been part of our Professional make-up as a rugby playing nation. And since 1994 up to now, the thing that has the entire country up in arms, is the quota system, and that it is now being enforced.</p><p></p><p>If an outsider doesn't understand this, then we will probably have an endless debate about this. There was even a survey on this topic earlier in the year, where at least 74% of Black South Africans voted against the quota system. <a href="http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/most-black-south-africans-oppose-sport-quotas-survey-20160531" target="_blank">http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/most-black-south-africans-oppose-sport-quotas-survey-20160531</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TRF_heineken, post: 818024, member: 40658"] Let me respond to the bolded part and say yes. Important players in Europe: We have always had this issue since 1996, and have become accustomed to the exodus of our players, and up to 2015, we have always included those NH based players in the Springbok team, they were selected based on merit. 2016 has however changed a few things. And there's a call, especially from old Springboks to rather pick local based players. But with that said, we still selected a few NH based players. Steven Kitshoff, Duane Vermeulen, Bryan Habana and Francois Louw as an example. Current SA Economy: What has changed to the current economy as opposed to 1997? Our Currency is just as poor as it was then, we still have corruption and are still looking at outside investors. Nothing on this front has really changed. International Rugby Style/Rules to a more open game: Perhaps here is an area where we have to adapt. But people tend to have the notion that we can't play running rugby, when in fact we can. When we won the 2007 World cup and thereafter up to the end of PDV era, we used a more conservative play style, because it worked in our favour. We had kickers in Percy Montgomery and Morne Steyn who had 80%+ kicking succes from as far as the halfway line, and it was easier for us to grind it out and kick for goal. Some may find this boring rugby, yes, but it was a style that won us games, and trophies. But that didn't mean we never scored tries. Prior to 2007 we played a bit more open and at some stages it worked well and at other stages it didn't. I think the one game that comes to mind was the 2004 Tri-Nations match against the All Blacks when Marius Joubert scored a hat-trick. What is frustrating me, personally is that we are now trying to play like the All Blacks. And we shouldn't, because we aren't the All Blacks. We are the Springboks and we should play like the Springboks. Even with rule changes and styles changing, we can still be one of the best teams in the world and still not lose our identity. As an example, I'll use the changes at the rucks over the years. When changes came to the ruck situation, and players could more easily turnover possession, a term for a flanker emerged as a poacher. And I think we can all agree that we had one of the best in the business in Heinrich Brussouw. Recent Years, Domestic Competitions constant change: Since the professional era began for rugby, there has always been constant changes, not just in recent years. First it was the Super 10, then Super 12, then Super 14, then Super 15 and now Super 18. We have grown accustomed to this, just like New Zealand and Australia. As for Domestic Competitions, the Currie Cup as also frequently changed. in the 90's we didn't have a premier division and a second division, we had just one division, and the tournament was contested by 14-20 teams. In the 2000's we found that there was a clear difference between the bigger unions and the smaller unions, due to the professional nature of the sport has become, and we reverted to the 2 division system. But still there were changes, sometimes on a yearly basis. Sometimes the Currie Cup premier division was just 6 teams, other times it was 8 or 10 or 12, this year it's 9 teams. Basically, the point I'm trying to get across is that everything else, apart from the quota system, has always been part of our Professional make-up as a rugby playing nation. And since 1994 up to now, the thing that has the entire country up in arms, is the quota system, and that it is now being enforced. If an outsider doesn't understand this, then we will probably have an endless debate about this. There was even a survey on this topic earlier in the year, where at least 74% of Black South Africans voted against the quota system. [URL="http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/most-black-south-africans-oppose-sport-quotas-survey-20160531"]http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/most-black-south-africans-oppose-sport-quotas-survey-20160531[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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