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<blockquote data-quote="Leonormous Boozer" data-source="post: 957960" data-attributes="member: 45598"><p>Nothing here addresses what I said. He's on record saying he wasn't happy in his club and with his coaches in SA and was considering returning to the family farm prior to opportunities in Europe presenting themselves. It was nothing to do with wanting to play international rugby.</p><p></p><p>I said in that post that I don't really care what a 19/20 year old's ambition is. Stander wasn't happy with the treatment he was receiving - and that's entirely subjective to him - so he left for better conditions elsewhere. That's a mature career decision to be commended, and it would be in any other walk of life.</p><p></p><p>Anyone saying he went to Ireland with the intention of playing for Ireland is fabricating something or has inside information, he's never said it. Whatever can be said about his decision to play for Ireland three and a half years later does not apply to his decision to leave.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You don't know the facts of Stander's case. He wasn't a starter for Munster until his third season there, he wasn't even picked for the European squad in his first season and played in the 'A' team. He got a second contract in Ireland because he had a very strong third season, it would have been up in the air otherwise, had he found form 6 months later God knows where he'd be. </p><p></p><p>He's made it abundantly clear that he left South Africa because he wasn't happy with his club and coaches, it was a career decision. Read Heineken's post if you doubt he'd have had a career in SA.</p><p></p><p>As for the second part I'm going to have to disagree, I think it's doublethink when your desire is to level the playing field between rich and poor. But as you say we can disagree without issue.</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Stander's an issue because there are so many false narratives from both sides flying about the place. He wasn't brought to Ireland to play for Ireland and he didn't come here with that intention just because Heyneke Meyer thought he was a midget. He was recruited by Munster, the ridiculous three year residency is why he's playing for us, it's gone now. Stander is a moot point.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The only way to make this issue go away, and even then only partially, is to remove the situation where you have an advantage playing for one country over another. This means player welfare laws be totally reformed, match fees for internationals banned and the banning of policies requiring a player to reside in a country to play for them. If you give players no incentive but pride to play international rugby you're going to weed out any "mercenaries" (stupid term when everyone is getting paid) who'll be happy with their clubs. </p><p></p><p>What I'm genuinely astonished by is that people want to restrict someone's opportunity to earn a living for a sport...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Leonormous Boozer, post: 957960, member: 45598"] Nothing here addresses what I said. He's on record saying he wasn't happy in his club and with his coaches[B] [/B]in SA and was considering returning to the family farm prior to opportunities in Europe presenting themselves. It was nothing to do with wanting to play international rugby. I said in that post that I don't really care what a 19/20 year old's ambition is. Stander wasn't happy with the treatment he was receiving - and that's entirely subjective to him - so he left for better conditions elsewhere. That's a mature career decision to be commended, and it would be in any other walk of life. Anyone saying he went to Ireland with the intention of playing for Ireland is fabricating something or has inside information, he's never said it. Whatever can be said about his decision to play for Ireland three and a half years later does not apply to his decision to leave. You don't know the facts of Stander's case. He wasn't a starter for Munster until his third season there, he wasn't even picked for the European squad in his first season and played in the 'A' team. He got a second contract in Ireland because he had a very strong third season, it would have been up in the air otherwise, had he found form 6 months later God knows where he'd be. He's made it abundantly clear that he left South Africa because he wasn't happy with his club and coaches, it was a career decision. Read Heineken's post if you doubt he'd have had a career in SA. As for the second part I'm going to have to disagree, I think it's doublethink when your desire is to level the playing field between rich and poor. But as you say we can disagree without issue. Stander's an issue because there are so many false narratives from both sides flying about the place. He wasn't brought to Ireland to play for Ireland and he didn't come here with that intention just because Heyneke Meyer thought he was a midget. He was recruited by Munster, the ridiculous three year residency is why he's playing for us, it's gone now. Stander is a moot point. The only way to make this issue go away, and even then only partially, is to remove the situation where you have an advantage playing for one country over another. This means player welfare laws be totally reformed, match fees for internationals banned and the banning of policies requiring a player to reside in a country to play for them. If you give players no incentive but pride to play international rugby you're going to weed out any "mercenaries" (stupid term when everyone is getting paid) who'll be happy with their clubs. What I'm genuinely astonished by is that people want to restrict someone's opportunity to earn a living for a sport... [/QUOTE]
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