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<blockquote data-quote="Leonormous Boozer" data-source="post: 957755" data-attributes="member: 45598"><p>Moved to the appropriate thread.</p><p></p><p>FYI McGrath was born over there while his parents were there on a working visa, came back as a baby.</p><p></p><p>I'm interested in your view on dual citizenship. Hypothetically if Samoa allowed for Dual Citizenship (they don't, UK does) would you still be against him playing for England and saying that about Samoa?</p><p></p><p>I'm interested because in my opinion nationality is a fairly personal thing within certain restrictions. I've met 1st and 2nd generation Irish who consider themselves Irish, hold Irish or dual citizenship, embraced the culture, learned the history, sometimes even the language and obviously support our national teams - they're Irish to me and I'd be proud to see anyone like that (and there are numerous examples) represent Ireland. Likewise Bundee Aki and CJ Stander are both entitled to Irish citizenship, no idea if either of them have it but if they did I'd again be proud for them to represent my country.* Your point earlier on this thread of Ireland not being either players' first choice doesn't really hold weight in my opinion, life happens, things change, forcing anything on someone for what their goals and life situation were before they'd had their first **** or even what they were five years ago isn't realistic in any walk of life so why force it on rugby?</p><p></p><p>Your view is obviously different and not shaped by multiple forced periods of mass emigration in your country or a decades long conflict over nationality but why force it on other nations where nationality has a different and more malleable meaning?</p><p></p><p>*Obviously they weren't for their first two years but even then I find it hard to begrudge individuals or employers who are engaged in a mutually beneficial employment contract. I'll always come down on the side of the player in this debate and consider it world rugby's job to fix any perceived shortcomings and create financial fair play. In many ways they're living the dream but conversely most of them have to find a profession that's totally new to them at some point in their thirties and will likely need multiple knee and/or hip replacements and have anything from CTE to restricted mobility beyond their forties so any money they can make they absolutely should.</p><p></p><p>PS - no idea what your opinion on the parent/grandparent rule is, I've assumed it's fairly strict for the purpose of the post.</p><p></p><p>Edit: Had missed your wider point on the T1 v T2 gap, that definitely falls on world rugby to fix somehow, not an easy task.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Leonormous Boozer, post: 957755, member: 45598"] Moved to the appropriate thread. FYI McGrath was born over there while his parents were there on a working visa, came back as a baby. I'm interested in your view on dual citizenship. Hypothetically if Samoa allowed for Dual Citizenship (they don't, UK does) would you still be against him playing for England and saying that about Samoa? I'm interested because in my opinion nationality is a fairly personal thing within certain restrictions. I've met 1st and 2nd generation Irish who consider themselves Irish, hold Irish or dual citizenship, embraced the culture, learned the history, sometimes even the language and obviously support our national teams - they're Irish to me and I'd be proud to see anyone like that (and there are numerous examples) represent Ireland. Likewise Bundee Aki and CJ Stander are both entitled to Irish citizenship, no idea if either of them have it but if they did I'd again be proud for them to represent my country.* Your point earlier on this thread of Ireland not being either players' first choice doesn't really hold weight in my opinion, life happens, things change, forcing anything on someone for what their goals and life situation were before they'd had their first **** or even what they were five years ago isn't realistic in any walk of life so why force it on rugby? Your view is obviously different and not shaped by multiple forced periods of mass emigration in your country or a decades long conflict over nationality but why force it on other nations where nationality has a different and more malleable meaning? *Obviously they weren't for their first two years but even then I find it hard to begrudge individuals or employers who are engaged in a mutually beneficial employment contract. I'll always come down on the side of the player in this debate and consider it world rugby's job to fix any perceived shortcomings and create financial fair play. In many ways they're living the dream but conversely most of them have to find a profession that's totally new to them at some point in their thirties and will likely need multiple knee and/or hip replacements and have anything from CTE to restricted mobility beyond their forties so any money they can make they absolutely should. PS - no idea what your opinion on the parent/grandparent rule is, I've assumed it's fairly strict for the purpose of the post. Edit: Had missed your wider point on the T1 v T2 gap, that definitely falls on world rugby to fix somehow, not an easy task. [/QUOTE]
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