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<blockquote data-quote="sanzar" data-source="post: 11373">No, I don&#039;t want or need to hear that at all, I don&#039;t believe in heaven or hell, to me they are ridiculous human inventions for those unwilling to accept reality...No, what I want to hear, is for you to justify to me how by your standards a primitive tribal society with no knowledge of the civilised world (they are still out there believe it or not!) would go to hell simply on the basis that they never heard of jesus or understood your belief system... Because that is effectively what people like you are saying &quot;If you do not follow the word of our lord Jesus Christ you will be condemmed for all eternity&quot;... you yourself have made statements to this effect: &lt;div class=&#039;quotetop&#039;&gt;QUOTE &lt;/div&gt; So what I&#039;m asking is what sort of evil and horrible religeon would argue that anyone who does not see eye to eye with their beliefs are damned...You keep talking about the ease with which the word of god can be received in modern times... Well you still haven&#039;t explained to me how your god would have dealt with the thousands of generations of tribal and non civilised peoples that just happened to be in the wrong part of the world and the wrong time period (I&#039;m talking 80,000 years ago here).I don&#039;t want you to tell me they will all go to heaven, I don&#039;t need to hear that, if you think they will go to hell as sinners, then say so, but in doing so you will admit a fatal flaw in your belief system.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="sanzar, post: 11373"] No, I don't want or need to hear that at all, I don't believe in heaven or hell, to me they are ridiculous human inventions for those unwilling to accept reality... No, what I want to hear, is for you to justify to me how by your standards a primitive tribal society with no knowledge of the civilised world (they are still out there believe it or not!) would go to hell simply on the basis that they never heard of jesus or understood your belief system... Because that is effectively what people like you are saying "If you do not follow the word of our lord Jesus Christ you will be condemmed for all eternity"... you yourself have made statements to this effect: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div> So what I'm asking is what sort of evil and horrible religeon would argue that anyone who does not see eye to eye with their beliefs are damned... You keep talking about the ease with which the word of god can be received in modern times... Well you still haven't explained to me how your god would have dealt with the thousands of generations of tribal and non civilised peoples that just happened to be in the wrong part of the world and the wrong time period (I'm talking 80,000 years ago here). I don't want you to tell me they will all go to heaven, I don't need to hear that, if you think they will go to hell as sinners, then say so, but in doing so you will admit a fatal flaw in your belief system. [/QUOTE]

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