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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Seaton" data-source="post: 343224" data-attributes="member: 64443">I agree, I never said the Cheetahs or Lions are as good as them, I simply said they are not as shite as some would would say, evidenced by the fact that they can cause upsets.Once again, never really said anything has changed to make them more effective. However, if I were, then I would say that both teams are finally learning, the hard way, to only use long, water-tight contracts when sign/re-signing players (As they have both been royally shat on by the Sharks and Stormers this past season on this regard)Agree with you there, however they are an indication of how a team will perform, where problem areas lie, how said problems can be fixed and so on, who key players are and so on.Don't no enough about NZ domestic rugby to comment on your comment</blockquote>