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<blockquote data-quote="User1245" data-source="post: 903531" data-attributes="member: 40986"><p>You called it from the beginning by saying this is similar to the #metoo campaign. I see that #iamashwinwillemse is now a topic with people airing the past experiences of being undermined with subtle racism. Our favourite rugby writer Ryan Vrede has chimed in with this: [MEDIA=youtube]C757Netk9G8[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>I don't disagree with him that this type of undermining is almost certainly out there. Just like subtle/covert sexism and ageism. These are issues society in general deal with. However Ryan's statement sounds a lot like the religious people I have debated as an atheist. He can't prove it, he can't show direct evidence for it but instead he "senses" or "knows" it. We just have to take it on faith that he is right. He has taken white people out the dialogue by saying white could never understand, effectively shutting out the entire race he is claiming he wants to engage with. The burden of proof is on him and him just "knowing" or "sensing" it just doesn't cut it.</p><p></p><p>He spends a grand total of 2 seconds mentioning the overt racism displayed by coloured and blacks during this event. This just gets dismissed like it doesn't matter.</p><p></p><p>However I still don't see how any of this is relevant to the Mallett-Willemse incident? For every video you have Mallett being critical of a person who happens to be back/coloured you can find a video of him being critical of a person who happens to be white. The burden of proof rests with Ashwin Willemse, the ANC, Ryan Vrede & all the people who have "sided" with him that there is overt or covert racism within SuperSport, specifically with Nick and Naas.</p><p></p><p>Hypothetically, even if we take the massive leap that this event is somehow representative of the general goings on of SA society, then justification becomes even weaker and the sympathy that is trying to be invoked evaporates.</p><p></p><p>Willemse is WAY more privilege than both Mallett and Botha combined. He is a multi-millionaire because he is coloured. This attribute was the primary reason why he benefited from that Gold Fields deal (<a href="https://mg.co.za/article/2014-01-17-gunslinger-in-r61m-gold-fields-bee-bonanza" target="_blank">https://mg.co.za/article/2014-01-17-gunslinger-in-r61m-gold-fields-bee-bonanza</a>). Not his expertise or ability, but because the colour of his skin (and his dodgy ANC connections). Show me ANY apartheid rugby player in his kind of position before or after the apartheid era. From what I can see Willemse' privilege has far exceeded this. Assuming that Ashwin was shown up in studio by either by knowledge or preparation, what he did was the typical tactic of throwing up the "white privilege" strawman to divert attention off him. This is the ANC's bread and butter, and it's worked again! All logic and reason is out the window, along with critical thinking.</p><p></p><p>For our international members who don't know how much R61 million is in terms of spending power. It's like double of a very big lottery win. A neurosurgeon earn about R800k a year. It's an obscene amount of money. This is the so called "hero" that people are holding up as standing up to oppression?</p><p></p><p>There no doubt is people who are standing up all kinds of -ism's. Ashwin is not one of these people. I think people backing this horse are going to end up with egg on their face. The info that has come out so far is painting Ashwin as the person in the wrong but this won't be admitted. A whole bunch of people are too deep into his "plight". I predict that even if he is proven dead wrong, this fact will be secondary in this slandering campaign against all white South Africans. The brush that people like Ryan Vrede is painting all white South Africans with is sickening. This should be a big red flag to our SANZAAR "partners" who just seem to be standing on the sidelines while SA rugby is slowly being destroyed by pure hypocrisy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="User1245, post: 903531, member: 40986"] You called it from the beginning by saying this is similar to the #metoo campaign. I see that #iamashwinwillemse is now a topic with people airing the past experiences of being undermined with subtle racism. Our favourite rugby writer Ryan Vrede has chimed in with this: [MEDIA=youtube]C757Netk9G8[/MEDIA] I don’t disagree with him that this type of undermining is almost certainly out there. Just like subtle/covert sexism and ageism. These are issues society in general deal with. However Ryan’s statement sounds a lot like the religious people I have debated as an atheist. He can’t prove it, he can’t show direct evidence for it but instead he “senses” or “knows” it. We just have to take it on faith that he is right. He has taken white people out the dialogue by saying white could never understand, effectively shutting out the entire race he is claiming he wants to engage with. The burden of proof is on him and him just “knowing” or “sensing” it just doesn’t cut it. He spends a grand total of 2 seconds mentioning the overt racism displayed by coloured and blacks during this event. This just gets dismissed like it doesn’t matter. However I still don’t see how any of this is relevant to the Mallett-Willemse incident? For every video you have Mallett being critical of a person who happens to be back/coloured you can find a video of him being critical of a person who happens to be white. The burden of proof rests with Ashwin Willemse, the ANC, Ryan Vrede & all the people who have “sided” with him that there is overt or covert racism within SuperSport, specifically with Nick and Naas. Hypothetically, even if we take the massive leap that this event is somehow representative of the general goings on of SA society, then justification becomes even weaker and the sympathy that is trying to be invoked evaporates. Willemse is WAY more privilege than both Mallett and Botha combined. He is a multi-millionaire because he is coloured. This attribute was the primary reason why he benefited from that Gold Fields deal ([URL]https://mg.co.za/article/2014-01-17-gunslinger-in-r61m-gold-fields-bee-bonanza[/URL]). Not his expertise or ability, but because the colour of his skin (and his dodgy ANC connections). Show me ANY apartheid rugby player in his kind of position before or after the apartheid era. From what I can see Willemse’ privilege has far exceeded this. Assuming that Ashwin was shown up in studio by either by knowledge or preparation, what he did was the typical tactic of throwing up the “white privilege” strawman to divert attention off him. This is the ANC’s bread and butter, and it’s worked again! All logic and reason is out the window, along with critical thinking. For our international members who don’t know how much R61 million is in terms of spending power. It’s like double of a very big lottery win. A neurosurgeon earn about R800k a year. It’s an obscene amount of money. This is the so called “hero” that people are holding up as standing up to oppression? There no doubt is people who are standing up all kinds of -ism’s. Ashwin is not one of these people. I think people backing this horse are going to end up with egg on their face. The info that has come out so far is painting Ashwin as the person in the wrong but this won’t be admitted. A whole bunch of people are too deep into his “plight”. I predict that even if he is proven dead wrong, this fact will be secondary in this slandering campaign against all white South Africans. The brush that people like Ryan Vrede is painting all white South Africans with is sickening. This should be a big red flag to our SANZAAR “partners” who just seem to be standing on the sidelines while SA rugby is slowly being destroyed by pure hypocrisy. [/QUOTE]
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