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<blockquote data-quote="ncurd" data-source="post: 735054" data-attributes="member: 72205">Okay slightly tangential here but would rather talk about this than some song a bunch of rugby fans sing when on top or to gee up their team.I agree about the irony but I think some people who like j&#039;nuh (and I&#039;m not speaking for him) would rather live their lives like everyone else with only difference being they like members of the same sex need people to say things like this.&nbsp; Now in the very brief clip I saw I&#039;d say she actually does want the attention due to as GN10 pointed the style and delivery she just wants the attention on her terms.&nbsp; I find that a little bit more something to struggle with, if you want the attention to drawn to yourself you have to take the good with the bad.&nbsp; It&#039;s like j&#039;nuh said if your courting to become an &quot;icon&quot; of something you get everything even the bad (even if you shouldn&#039;t).Now for me most of my life is within geek culture a community that has embraced (at least within the circles I run in) the LGBT+ members within it with open arms.&nbsp; I think it comes from being a bunch of social outcasts ourselves we just want people to happy within themselves (which is slightly amusing considering most of hobbies involve escapism).&nbsp; However there is a very vocal subset of them (I&#039;d say they were in majority of the group but there might be many more less vocal ones I don&#039;t know about) that demand to be heard for their LGBT+ issues and really thrust the issue in people faces.&nbsp; Some of arguments I&#039;ve seen have been absurd we had one game (30+ people) set in 1941 Nazi occupied territory and we had complaints characters couldn&#039;t out and proud gay people even though the entire setting would of required players to treat them pretty badly but those players wouldn&#039;t of been allowed to that according to this group due to reasons...&nbsp; Another lesbian friend of mind is into cosplay but insists on always doing gender swaped versions of male comic book characters.I&#039;m not saying they should speak up for their views on things god knows I do all the time and my voice isn&#039;t more important than others.&nbsp; My point simply is there are plenty of LGBT+ people out there being very vocal and demanding attention that we sometimes forget there are people like j&#039;nuh that want none of it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ncurd, post: 735054, member: 72205"] Okay slightly tangential here but would rather talk about this than some song a bunch of rugby fans sing when on top or to gee up their team. I agree about the irony but I think some people who like j'nuh (and I'm not speaking for him) would rather live their lives like everyone else with only difference being they like members of the same sex need people to say things like this. Now in the very brief clip I saw I'd say she actually does want the attention due to as GN10 pointed the style and delivery she just wants the attention on her terms. I find that a little bit more something to struggle with, if you want the attention to drawn to yourself you have to take the good with the bad. It's like j'nuh said if your courting to become an "icon" of something you get everything even the bad (even if you shouldn't). Now for me most of my life is within geek culture a community that has embraced (at least within the circles I run in) the LGBT+ members within it with open arms. I think it comes from being a bunch of social outcasts ourselves we just want people to happy within themselves (which is slightly amusing considering most of hobbies involve escapism). However there is a very vocal subset of them (I'd say they were in majority of the group but there might be many more less vocal ones I don't know about) that demand to be heard for their LGBT+ issues and really thrust the issue in people faces. Some of arguments I've seen have been absurd we had one game (30+ people) set in 1941 Nazi occupied territory and we had complaints characters couldn't out and proud gay people even though the entire setting would of required players to treat them pretty badly but those players wouldn't of been allowed to that according to this group due to reasons... Another lesbian friend of mind is into cosplay but insists on always doing gender swaped versions of male comic book characters. I'm not saying they should speak up for their views on things god knows I do all the time and my voice isn't more important than others. My point simply is there are plenty of LGBT+ people out there being very vocal and demanding attention that we sometimes forget there are people like j'nuh that want none of it. [/QUOTE]

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