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<blockquote data-quote="unrated" data-source="post: 806823" data-attributes="member: 45773"><p>It seems you did not properly do your research about Southern Hemisphere rugby. I dont know about the Aussie sides but the South African and New Zealand clubs have been around for very long. Our domestic rugby competition the Currie cup dates back to 1891.</p><p>Super rugby teams like the Stormers, Bulls, and Sharks is the same unions as their currie cup counterparts they just change names for super rugby because they had players coming in from other clubs in their region. Nowadays they contract most of the players themselves. The point im trying to get through is that although the teams have different names for Currie cup and super rugby they are the same side. Those that dont get selected from the springboks play in both competitions. </p><p>Now your quote "they are an actual club with over a 100 years of history and regional pride, you don't get that in Super Rugby". Well let me show you when these clubs were created. (Names has had slight variations through the years).</p><p></p><p>The Bulls was founded in 1938 after the transvaal union spilt up. ( Basically the lions and bulls splitting)</p><p>The sharks was founded in 1890</p><p>The Stormers (wp) was founded in 1883 </p><p></p><p>These among others have years and years of history where serious regional rivalries built up. </p><p>If you are referring to the intercontinental rivalries in super rugby not being that old than thats where it gets tricky. Yes super rugby was only created in the 1990s so there can be a case made that the rivalries are too new to compare to some other teams. The fact is though that SANZAR nations have a very long history. Before the game became professional we were big rivals fighting for the rights to be called the best in the world. All Black Springbok matches date back to 1921. And the super rugby franchises is an extension of the national teams and we still want to beat each other at franchise level. So the competition seems new but there is lots of history between the teams competing. If anything the traditions and rivalries in the top 14 has deteriorated because they lure players from around the world with their money. These players have a job to do for their team but they did not grow up supporting that team. Thats the big differrence between the top 14 and Super rugby.</p><p></p><p>Besides everyone is complaining about the quality of Super rugby but if our top 8 joined the top 14 we would not only win it but occupy all the playoff places. New Zealand is currently dominating but that does not mean the rest are bad. You guys saw what happened when the Sharks toured France and played Toulon and Toulouse. Those french sides were already in their seasons and we were just warming up.</p><p></p><p>Once Super rugby settles with its amount of teams it will slowly become even more competitive. When the Japanese public catches on to it we will be able to produce enough TV revenue to keep all our players. The European market is very strong but we have seen in football what kind of money these Asian sides are producing and its startling.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="unrated, post: 806823, member: 45773"] It seems you did not properly do your research about Southern Hemisphere rugby. I dont know about the Aussie sides but the South African and New Zealand clubs have been around for very long. Our domestic rugby competition the Currie cup dates back to 1891. Super rugby teams like the Stormers, Bulls, and Sharks is the same unions as their currie cup counterparts they just change names for super rugby because they had players coming in from other clubs in their region. Nowadays they contract most of the players themselves. The point im trying to get through is that although the teams have different names for Currie cup and super rugby they are the same side. Those that dont get selected from the springboks play in both competitions. Now your quote "they are an actual club with over a 100 years of history and regional pride, you don't get that in Super Rugby". Well let me show you when these clubs were created. (Names has had slight variations through the years). The Bulls was founded in 1938 after the transvaal union spilt up. ( Basically the lions and bulls splitting) The sharks was founded in 1890 The Stormers (wp) was founded in 1883 These among others have years and years of history where serious regional rivalries built up. If you are referring to the intercontinental rivalries in super rugby not being that old than thats where it gets tricky. Yes super rugby was only created in the 1990s so there can be a case made that the rivalries are too new to compare to some other teams. The fact is though that SANZAR nations have a very long history. Before the game became professional we were big rivals fighting for the rights to be called the best in the world. All Black Springbok matches date back to 1921. And the super rugby franchises is an extension of the national teams and we still want to beat each other at franchise level. So the competition seems new but there is lots of history between the teams competing. If anything the traditions and rivalries in the top 14 has deteriorated because they lure players from around the world with their money. These players have a job to do for their team but they did not grow up supporting that team. Thats the big differrence between the top 14 and Super rugby. Besides everyone is complaining about the quality of Super rugby but if our top 8 joined the top 14 we would not only win it but occupy all the playoff places. New Zealand is currently dominating but that does not mean the rest are bad. You guys saw what happened when the Sharks toured France and played Toulon and Toulouse. Those french sides were already in their seasons and we were just warming up. Once Super rugby settles with its amount of teams it will slowly become even more competitive. When the Japanese public catches on to it we will be able to produce enough TV revenue to keep all our players. The European market is very strong but we have seen in football what kind of money these Asian sides are producing and its startling. [/QUOTE]
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