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<blockquote data-quote="unrated" data-source="post: 893111" data-attributes="member: 45773"><p>1. Yes the EFF was the ones who tabled the motion, but the ANC has had a policy shift in recent years and has been campaigning on the idea of expropriation without compensation. This is not only a move by the EFF to gain voters but also by the ANC as when the campaigning for the 2019 elections start the ANC will use the narrative "Vote for us because in our current term we started the process of land redistribution."</p><p></p><p>2. Parliament already had the vote and it has been passed. A committee now has to asses the amendments. The committee consists of members of parliament based on proportional representation, so basically the presence of EFF and ANC members in this committee will ensure that they uphold the policy agenda of the party they represent which is radical redistribution of land. The DA can put forth their reports on how damaging this will be to our economy but ultimately and this is just my opinion, logic will be disregarded in favour of pushing this amendment through in the hope of securing as many votes as possible. The ANC know they are in trouble in terms of voter numbers and i feel its comparable to this example. Lets say North Korea participated in conventional warfare with the United states. Both sides possess nuclear weapons but are more than likely to avoid using them with the fear of mutual destruction. If North Korea or less likely the USA are on the brink of defeat surely nuclear will be a last resort option as the losing nation has nothing to lose since they are about to collapse in any case. Getting back to the local politics if the ANC feels severely threatened that they might lose the next election, then they always have the "nuclear option" of just giving the populists what they want disregarding economic stability in an effort to stay in power. </p><p></p><p>4. This makes the problem even worse as people who legally invested in land after the fall of apartheid will now be affected. Presumably black land owners might also lose land to the State.</p><p></p><p>5. Excuse my ignorance on this specific matter. This is where i hope the people has a fighting chance once all the legislative paperwork for the expropriation of land without compensation has been finalised. The fear i had though was will people be able to challenge this in the constitutional court if the constitution has actually been amended to allow this. I notice you mentioned that if the legislation interferes with other sections of the constitution then it can be scrapped. But if it does then surely the ANC and EFF will then start the process of amending those parts that interferes. is there a chance that if the amendments are made that a court not necessarily the constitutional court can reverse it?</p><p></p><p>Lastly i want to pose a question. The constitutional court is headed by our Chief justice Mogoeng Mogoeng. Who was appointed by former ANC president Jacob Zuma. When it comes to that point that this is challenged in the constitutional court can the impartiality of the chief justice be reasonably expected?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="unrated, post: 893111, member: 45773"] 1. Yes the EFF was the ones who tabled the motion, but the ANC has had a policy shift in recent years and has been campaigning on the idea of expropriation without compensation. This is not only a move by the EFF to gain voters but also by the ANC as when the campaigning for the 2019 elections start the ANC will use the narrative "Vote for us because in our current term we started the process of land redistribution." 2. Parliament already had the vote and it has been passed. A committee now has to asses the amendments. The committee consists of members of parliament based on proportional representation, so basically the presence of EFF and ANC members in this committee will ensure that they uphold the policy agenda of the party they represent which is radical redistribution of land. The DA can put forth their reports on how damaging this will be to our economy but ultimately and this is just my opinion, logic will be disregarded in favour of pushing this amendment through in the hope of securing as many votes as possible. The ANC know they are in trouble in terms of voter numbers and i feel its comparable to this example. Lets say North Korea participated in conventional warfare with the United states. Both sides possess nuclear weapons but are more than likely to avoid using them with the fear of mutual destruction. If North Korea or less likely the USA are on the brink of defeat surely nuclear will be a last resort option as the losing nation has nothing to lose since they are about to collapse in any case. Getting back to the local politics if the ANC feels severely threatened that they might lose the next election, then they always have the "nuclear option" of just giving the populists what they want disregarding economic stability in an effort to stay in power. 4. This makes the problem even worse as people who legally invested in land after the fall of apartheid will now be affected. Presumably black land owners might also lose land to the State. 5. Excuse my ignorance on this specific matter. This is where i hope the people has a fighting chance once all the legislative paperwork for the expropriation of land without compensation has been finalised. The fear i had though was will people be able to challenge this in the constitutional court if the constitution has actually been amended to allow this. I notice you mentioned that if the legislation interferes with other sections of the constitution then it can be scrapped. But if it does then surely the ANC and EFF will then start the process of amending those parts that interferes. is there a chance that if the amendments are made that a court not necessarily the constitutional court can reverse it? Lastly i want to pose a question. The constitutional court is headed by our Chief justice Mogoeng Mogoeng. Who was appointed by former ANC president Jacob Zuma. When it comes to that point that this is challenged in the constitutional court can the impartiality of the chief justice be reasonably expected? [/QUOTE]
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