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<blockquote data-quote="Cruz_del_Sur" data-source="post: 1052394" data-attributes="member: 55747"><p>I guess i missed the memo where they appointed you an authority, judge and jury on the subject. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Precisely. </p><p></p><p>Do you understand what the current system encourages? This is what the system you appear to defend not only allows but only allows, by design: </p><p>- forces the coaches/directors/RUs to submit questions, clarification requests and complaints privately and only privately.</p><p>- There is no appeal process if you get an unsatisfactory response. They basically are allowed to reply 'fucky you' and there is nothing you can do about it. If you dont understand a way a rule is enforced, it is your problem. </p><p>- There is an article in Regulation 18 (cited on this very thread) that basically states that if you voice your complaint publicly you are breaking the regulation and are liable to a sanction</p><p></p><p></p><p>In a nutshell, the people who create the mess are not only the ones who receive the complaints about the mess but also the ones who judge and punish those who raise the complaints (either directly or by proxy). All of this is done behind closed doors and those who talk about it publicly are liable to punishment. </p><p>If you dont see the problem, well, i cant help you. </p><p></p><p>So yes, when RE says '**** you' to the system i am with him. You need a hell of an argument to argue against transparency, guidance and clarity. I've yet to see an argument, at all. All i hear is 'you shouldnt do that'? **** the system indeed. </p><p></p><p>Again, talk to coaches anywhere. They all have the same questions RE has. RE is not the problem here, He is just the messenger and shutting him up will not solve the problem. At best, it will only delay the consequences. </p><p> </p><p>But i will bite and this goes for anyone on this thread. Let's assume for a second what RE did in a desperate attempt to get an answer is wrong, unequivocally wrong (keyword here been 'assume'). Now, if what he did is wrong you need to provide me with an alternative process through which i can get answers, guaranteed. <strong>Which is that process?</strong></p><p>Failure to provide such a process only justifies RE's actions. The guy is falling on a grenade. If anything we should give the guy a medal (not really, he is doing it for other reasons too, but nevertheless). </p><p></p><p>And again, i understand the bias from B&I lions supporters. I do. But if you want to argue with justification then answer the question: which alternative process guarantees answers to RE's questions? </p><p>When the current process provides you with no answers it is inevitable (you could even argue desirable) for people to seek for alternative ways to achieve that goal. RE is not to blame for that. Those who do not provide reasonable answers are. </p><p></p><p>Assuming people will be indefinitely happy with unclarity, secrecy and lack of answers is pretty stupid. This was long overdue. I'll play Nostradamus for a sec: lack of answers will only result in something similar happening again. And again.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cruz_del_Sur, post: 1052394, member: 55747"] I guess i missed the memo where they appointed you an authority, judge and jury on the subject. Precisely. Do you understand what the current system encourages? This is what the system you appear to defend not only allows but only allows, by design: - forces the coaches/directors/RUs to submit questions, clarification requests and complaints privately and only privately. - There is no appeal process if you get an unsatisfactory response. They basically are allowed to reply 'fucky you' and there is nothing you can do about it. If you dont understand a way a rule is enforced, it is your problem. - There is an article in Regulation 18 (cited on this very thread) that basically states that if you voice your complaint publicly you are breaking the regulation and are liable to a sanction In a nutshell, the people who create the mess are not only the ones who receive the complaints about the mess but also the ones who judge and punish those who raise the complaints (either directly or by proxy). All of this is done behind closed doors and those who talk about it publicly are liable to punishment. If you dont see the problem, well, i cant help you. So yes, when RE says '**** you' to the system i am with him. You need a hell of an argument to argue against transparency, guidance and clarity. I've yet to see an argument, at all. All i hear is 'you shouldnt do that'? **** the system indeed. Again, talk to coaches anywhere. They all have the same questions RE has. RE is not the problem here, He is just the messenger and shutting him up will not solve the problem. At best, it will only delay the consequences. But i will bite and this goes for anyone on this thread. Let's assume for a second what RE did in a desperate attempt to get an answer is wrong, unequivocally wrong (keyword here been 'assume'). Now, if what he did is wrong you need to provide me with an alternative process through which i can get answers, guaranteed. [B]Which is that process?[/B] Failure to provide such a process only justifies RE's actions. The guy is falling on a grenade. If anything we should give the guy a medal (not really, he is doing it for other reasons too, but nevertheless). And again, i understand the bias from B&I lions supporters. I do. But if you want to argue with justification then answer the question: which alternative process guarantees answers to RE's questions? When the current process provides you with no answers it is inevitable (you could even argue desirable) for people to seek for alternative ways to achieve that goal. RE is not to blame for that. Those who do not provide reasonable answers are. Assuming people will be indefinitely happy with unclarity, secrecy and lack of answers is pretty stupid. This was long overdue. I'll play Nostradamus for a sec: lack of answers will only result in something similar happening again. And again. [/QUOTE]
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