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<blockquote data-quote="Thingimubob" data-source="post: 889440" data-attributes="member: 20956">As you said, both teams got away with a fair bit at the breakdown, and Garces was infuriatingly inconsistent with what he was pinging. One that really got to me was him seeming to randomly pick and choose when he&#039;d bother pinging players for going off their feet at the ruck, in particular while attacking. I remember him penalizing both sides, and even making a point when he penalised one side saying &quot;you got the same penalty earlier&quot;, but then mostly ignoring it for the rest of the match? If you&#039;re gonna ping it, then do it ALL the time...Anyway, penalty count could partly come down to the Welsh backrow being dominated by talented, streetwise &quot;fetcher&quot; style flankers? Navidi learned from one of the great Welsh 7s Martyn Williams, while also playing alongside another current great in Warburton, plus while Singler is predominately a rangy 6, but has played quite a bit as a fetching 7 and done well for club and country in that role, and on top of that you&#039;ve got Tips coming off the bench. These guys are pretty good at pushing the laws to the limit, and getting away with it anyway!Just a theory, but I&#039;ve always thought England have been a bit pants over the year at picking a properly balanced back row, and have had a bad habit of leaving some quality 7&#039;s out in favour of essentially two 6s and an 8 or even 3 6s. From what I&#039;ve seen of Underhill for England, Bath and the Ospreys, I reckon he could be the answer though.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thingimubob, post: 889440, member: 20956"] As you said, both teams got away with a fair bit at the breakdown, and Garces was infuriatingly inconsistent with what he was pinging. One that really got to me was him seeming to randomly pick and choose when he'd bother pinging players for going off their feet at the ruck, in particular while attacking. I remember him penalizing both sides, and even making a point when he penalised one side saying "you got the same penalty earlier", but then mostly ignoring it for the rest of the match? If you're gonna ping it, then do it ALL the time... Anyway, penalty count could partly come down to the Welsh backrow being dominated by talented, streetwise "fetcher" style flankers? Navidi learned from one of the great Welsh 7s Martyn Williams, while also playing alongside another current great in Warburton, plus while Singler is predominately a rangy 6, but has played quite a bit as a fetching 7 and done well for club and country in that role, and on top of that you've got Tips coming off the bench. These guys are pretty good at pushing the laws to the limit, and getting away with it anyway! Just a theory, but I've always thought England have been a bit pants over the year at picking a properly balanced back row, and have had a bad habit of leaving some quality 7's out in favour of essentially two 6s and an 8 or even 3 6s. From what I've seen of Underhill for England, Bath and the Ospreys, I reckon he could be the answer though. [/QUOTE]

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