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<blockquote data-quote="Ragey Erasmus" data-source="post: 889439" data-attributes="member: 56232"><p>I don&#039;t for one second pretend our discipline at the breakdown is good, it&#039;s bad and our penalty count is a pretty accurate reflection of that. The main issue is there is no way Wales only had 2 offenses worthy of penalties that game. The 2 that stick in my mind are the ball squirting out the back of an English breakdown where Care couldn&#039;t get to the ball (Welsh player on the wrong side) and a second where Care got the ball out but was fighting for 10 seconds or so with a Welsh player again lying on the wrong side. Neither time did we get a penalty and both times it killed our momentum or resulted in a turnover. Both were also in kickable penalty positions. I feel we have a reputation as being poor at the breakdown meaning we are more likely to be penalised there whilst our opposition are less likely to be penalised against us. It&#039;s the same as sides that get a reputation for being bad in the scrum. The assumption is we have been beaten by superior breakdown operators.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Ragey Erasmus, post: 889439, member: 56232"] I don't for one second pretend our discipline at the breakdown is good, it's bad and our penalty count is a pretty accurate reflection of that. The main issue is there is no way Wales only had 2 offenses worthy of penalties that game. The 2 that stick in my mind are the ball squirting out the back of an English breakdown where Care couldn't get to the ball (Welsh player on the wrong side) and a second where Care got the ball out but was fighting for 10 seconds or so with a Welsh player again lying on the wrong side. Neither time did we get a penalty and both times it killed our momentum or resulted in a turnover. Both were also in kickable penalty positions. I feel we have a reputation as being poor at the breakdown meaning we are more likely to be penalised there whilst our opposition are less likely to be penalised against us. It's the same as sides that get a reputation for being bad in the scrum. The assumption is we have been beaten by superior breakdown operators. [/QUOTE]

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