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<blockquote data-quote="User1245" data-source="post: 743057" data-attributes="member: 40986"><p>Woah, I popped onto the forum to see what people thought about the Bok team and saw this ripper of a thread.</p><p></p><p>From a SA perspective I think Ezequiel's comments ring true for current day South Africa. And I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned yet but there are quotas at grassroots level. I know for a fact that it's been around since the late 90's because I was subjected to it in Primary school. </p><p>First time was at regional trials when I was 11. I was captain of the team, and my replacement was picked ahead of me. They needed a certain number of black players and I was the only white flank, so I got the chop. The worst was when I was 13, vice-captain of the team and the guy that was behind me in the school team was selected for the provincial team! Now I was never good enough to make the provincial team but I know I was better than him evidence being that he couldn't make the school first team!</p><p></p><p>I think the quota system falls apart when it comes to high school bursaries, and then professional contracts. Basically when preference and merit starts to really count. I'll expand on this below. </p><p></p><p>I grew up in a town where 90%+ of the population is black and so was the <strong>public</strong> primary school I went to. My experience throughout school was that blacks preferred not to play rugby. Most grew up with soccer and didn't like the physical nature of the sport. Much like Trevor Noah makes fun of <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbQmjnyD_OQ" target="_blank">HERE</a>. </p><p></p><p>Here's a photo of our rugby tour in primary (3 different age group teams):</p><p></p><p><img src="http://oi58.tinypic.com/30rus1x.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>I'm the first kid on the left in the front row. Hot shot vice-captain right there! </p><p>As you can see 90% of the team is not black. I think I counted 18 out of 46 (40%). Small sample group yes but a good one I think. I say this because you may notice the in the 3rd row, the 4th boy from the left is Vincent Koch. His brother, right most boy in the first row, yes that kid, the 12 year old the size of a man! He is also a very good rugby player and played age level provincial rugby. I believe both got sport scholarships in high school.</p><p></p><p>So right there is a living breathing example that sporting preference and ability made the difference instead of the privilege that is bestowed upon whites. 2 White guys had a good stab at provincial level rugby, and one guy went all the way. This despite of black quotas and the fact that 90% of their school was black. I obviously don't know everybody's situation but my black friends stayed in town, in a normal house not in shacks. </p><p>The majority of the Boks simply can't be black if this is the reality of who actually plays the sport.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="User1245, post: 743057, member: 40986"] Woah, I popped onto the forum to see what people thought about the Bok team and saw this ripper of a thread. From a SA perspective I think Ezequiel's comments ring true for current day South Africa. And I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned yet but there are quotas at grassroots level. I know for a fact that it's been around since the late 90's because I was subjected to it in Primary school. First time was at regional trials when I was 11. I was captain of the team, and my replacement was picked ahead of me. They needed a certain number of black players and I was the only white flank, so I got the chop. The worst was when I was 13, vice-captain of the team and the guy that was behind me in the school team was selected for the provincial team! Now I was never good enough to make the provincial team but I know I was better than him evidence being that he couldn't make the school first team! I think the quota system falls apart when it comes to high school bursaries, and then professional contracts. Basically when preference and merit starts to really count. I'll expand on this below. I grew up in a town where 90%+ of the population is black and so was the [B]public[/B] primary school I went to. My experience throughout school was that blacks preferred not to play rugby. Most grew up with soccer and didn't like the physical nature of the sport. Much like Trevor Noah makes fun of [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbQmjnyD_OQ"]HERE[/URL]. Here's a photo of our rugby tour in primary (3 different age group teams): [IMG]http://oi58.tinypic.com/30rus1x.jpg[/IMG] I'm the first kid on the left in the front row. Hot shot vice-captain right there! As you can see 90% of the team is not black. I think I counted 18 out of 46 (40%). Small sample group yes but a good one I think. I say this because you may notice the in the 3rd row, the 4th boy from the left is Vincent Koch. His brother, right most boy in the first row, yes that kid, the 12 year old the size of a man! He is also a very good rugby player and played age level provincial rugby. I believe both got sport scholarships in high school. So right there is a living breathing example that sporting preference and ability made the difference instead of the privilege that is bestowed upon whites. 2 White guys had a good stab at provincial level rugby, and one guy went all the way. This despite of black quotas and the fact that 90% of their school was black. I obviously don't know everybody's situation but my black friends stayed in town, in a normal house not in shacks. The majority of the Boks simply can't be black if this is the reality of who actually plays the sport. [/QUOTE]
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