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<blockquote data-quote="Cruz_del_Sur" data-source="post: 1223165" data-attributes="member: 55747">I recall that play. I disagree with the call, but i dont think that matters. The play was not comparable to the one we are discussing here. For many reasons, but for one specifically: LRZ did not regather. The ball touched the ground. In the arg 7s case, that never happened. Let me break it downScenario 1 (arg&#039;s 7s)1-Player loses or appears to lose control and ball falls from his hands towards the ground2- Player uses his foot to prevent the ball from touching the ground3- Player regathers before the ball was able to touch the ground or any other player. Since the ball touching the ground is a necessary condition Scenario 2 (wales)1- Player either loses control of the ball or drops it to kick it (intention)2- player &#039;kicks&#039; the ball 3- ball touches ground/another playerBecause the ball DID touch the ground/another player (didn&#039;t happen in scenario 1), his intention DOES matter as he would be allowed to do so if he intended to kick it, but NOT if he dropped it and tried to mask the drop as a kick. But again, that issues is only relevant if the player is unable to regather. That was not the case in scenario 1, which makes both situations completely different.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cruz_del_Sur, post: 1223165, member: 55747"] I recall that play. I disagree with the call, but i dont think that matters. The play was not comparable to the one we are discussing here. For many reasons, but for one specifically: LRZ did not regather. The ball touched the ground. In the arg 7s case, that never happened. Let me break it down [B]Scenario 1 (arg's 7s)[/B] 1-Player loses or appears to lose control and ball falls from his hands towards the ground 2- Player uses his foot to prevent the ball from touching the ground 3- Player regathers before the ball was able to touch the ground or any other player. Since the ball touching the ground is a necessary condition [B]Scenario 2 (wales)[/B] 1- Player either loses control of the ball or drops it to kick it (intention) 2- player 'kicks' the ball 3- ball touches ground/another player Because the ball DID touch the ground/another player (didn't happen in scenario 1), his intention DOES matter as he would be allowed to do so if he intended to kick it, but NOT if he dropped it and tried to mask the drop as a kick. But again, that issues is only relevant if the player is unable to regather. That was not the case in scenario 1, which makes both situations completely different. [/QUOTE]

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