Referee Directives

[YoungScud]

So what edicts do we expect from WR HQ this time around? Straight put ins? Just kidding. What about the 'no arms' hit at the ruck? It seems a talking point at the mo. Running a block? Nah, NZ and Ireland are too good at it. While we're at it, which directives are refs liable to pay the slightest attention to? Sorry, just kidding again. Anyway, I expect Joel will be firing the emails willy nilly.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Anyway, I expect Joel will be firing the emails willy nilly.

ALL HAIL JOEL! The Jutge-naugt.

Touching of the hair or face will be strictly frowned upon.

 

[French TommyGun]

1st objective- always keep a eye on old Cheaty McCaw!
Yet another 1st class "bending" of the rules by the pro himself!

 

[SelimNiai]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/33968219

Television referees will use Hawk-Eye technology to help them make key decisions at the Rugby World Cup.

It will supplement the existing Television Match Official (TMO) system following successful trials.

The technology will also be available to medical staff to help assess potential head injuries from impacts.

Interesting. In theory it can make a world of difference and to me, if it means more decisions are got right, then I'm all for it. What I'd also like that League has and now cricket, is us being able to hear the TMO's decision making process. Would help clear some decisions up qswell

 

[TobesHodges]

Scrums will never be straight, there has to be some sort of advantage, otherwise just let the ref put it in..

 

[smartcooky]

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1st objective- always keep a eye on old Cheaty McCaw!
Yet another 1st class "bending" of the rules by the pro himself! 

Nice bit of trolling, but as is the usual case, a still photo tells you nothing if you take it out of context.

What we have established is that Gold 20 (playing in the No. 8 position) had originally bound between the lock and the openside flanker (which IS legal) - Its a bit confusing because gold 8 is actually in the openside flanker position.

However, just before this image was taken, the Gold 20 unbound from his position then re-bound between the locks. This is illegal. The No 8 cannot move bind positions once the scrum begins, but Barnes was letting them do it all night (Owens put a stop to them doing this in the Eden Park match, and is clearly heard at one point telling them that they cannot change positions)

As soon as Gold 20 detached, the scrum was over, and McCaw was perfectly within his rights to leave the scrum and remain in the vicinity

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/33968219



Interesting. In theory it can make a world of difference and to me, if it means more decisions are got right, then I'm all for it. What I'd also like that League has and now cricket, is us being able to hear the TMO's decision making process. Would help clear some decisions up as well

I agree. It is excellent in Cricket, hearing the 3rd Umpire talking through the process to arrive at a decision.

 

[ZeroTwo]

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1st objective- always keep a eye on old Cheaty McCaw!
Yet another 1st class "bending" of the rules by the pro himself!

I will buy any New Zealander who manages to rise above this bait a pint.

 

[goodNumber10]

Nice bit of trolling, but as is the usual case, a still photo tells you nothing if you take it out of context.

What we have established is that Gold 20 (playing in the No. 8 position) had originally bound between the lock and the openside flanker (which IS legal) - Its a bit confusing because gold 8 is actually in the openside flanker position.

However, just before this image was taken, the Gold 20 unbound from his position then re-bound between the locks. This is illegal. The No 8 cannot move bind positions once the scrum begins, but Barnes was letting them do it all night (Owens put a stop to them doing this in the Eden Park match, and is clearly heard at one point telling them that they cannot change positions)

As soon as Gold 20 detached, the scrum was over, and McCaw was perfectly within his rights to leave the scrum and remain in the vicinity

what's the clock time on that scrum?

it's 79 minutes yes? because it looks to me as though he binds between the locks when the scrum sets, and meerkats when the scrum is shoved backwards which is when McCaw comes up the side. Doesn't look like he changes lane - do you have the overhead footage?

 

[goodNumber10]

Nice bit of trolling, but as is the usual case, a still photo tells you nothing if you take it out of context.

What we have established is that Gold 20 (playing in the No. 8 position) had originally bound between the lock and the openside flanker (which IS legal) - Its a bit confusing because gold 8 is actually in the openside flanker position.

However, just before this image was taken, the Gold 20 unbound from his position then re-bound between the locks. This is illegal. The No 8 cannot move bind positions once the scrum begins, but Barnes was letting them do it all night (Owens put a stop to them doing this in the Eden Park match, and is clearly heard at one point telling them that they cannot change positions)

As soon as Gold 20 detached, the scrum was over, and McCaw was perfectly within his rights to leave the scrum and remain in the vicinity

Here is the scrum (I think), he packs down between the locks, and stays there afaict, through out the scrum, he drops his arm right arm down Skeltons shorts which looks like he lets go but you can see he is still holding the shorts as the scrum comes around. His head and shoulders stay in the same place (between the locks) imo.... where does he detach?

 

[austingtir]

Here is the scrum (I think), he packs down between the locks, and stays there afaict, through out the scrum, he drops his arm right arm down Skeltons shorts which looks like he lets go but you can see he is still holding the shorts as the scrum comes around. His head and shoulders stay in the same place (between the locks) imo.... where does he detach?

If Hooper was allowed to tackle Burger (I went semi spastic about that one in the Australia vs SA game) in this type of manner in a previous game I really think your trying pretty hard here (and failing) to catch Mccaw out. Its incredibly difficult to tell from one angle exactly what happened here but Mccaws timing is pretty much on Pocock "appearing" to disengage from the scrum. Id like to see the Ref added into this equation and what he was or wasnt saying to the players. To me this is practically the same as a lineout bauk if Pocock didnt grab the ball when his arms went down. Mccaws job is to defend against him coming off the scrum so whats he meant to do here just let this guy run off and get a massive head start??

 

[goodNumber10]

If Hooper was allowed to tackle Burger (I went semi spastic about that one in the Australia vs SA game) in this type of manner in a previous game I really think your trying pretty hard here (and failing) to catch Mccaw out. Its incredibly difficult to tell from one angle exactly what happened here but Mccaws timing is pretty much on Pocock "appearing" to disengage from the scrum. Id like to see the Ref added into this equation and what he was or wasnt saying to the players. To me this is practically the same as a lineout bauk if Pocock didnt grab the ball when his arms went down. Mccaws job is to defend against him coming off the scrum so whats he meant to do here just let this guy run off and get a massive head start??

Lol!

 

[goodNumber10]

If Hooper was allowed to tackle Burger (I went semi spastic about that one in the Australia vs SA game) in this type of manner in a previous game I really think your trying pretty hard here (and failing) to catch Mccaw out. Its incredibly difficult to tell from one angle exactly what happened here but Mccaws timing is pretty much on Pocock "appearing" to disengage from the scrum. Id like to see the Ref added into this equation and what he was or wasnt saying to the players. To me this is practically the same as a lineout bauk if Pocock didnt grab the ball when his arms went down. Mccaws job is to defend against him coming off the scrum so whats he meant to do here just let this guy run off and get a massive head start??

I'm not trying to prove anything about McCaw, I don't have a particular opinion on this as he clearly thought he'd detached and then realises he hasn't and doesn't play him. It's the final scrum of the game and this had no impact on the outcome of the game.

I'm just trying to understand why @smartcooky is claiming the number 8 changes his channel when it doesn't seem like he did.

Especially as he's labeling @French TommyGun a troll for posting the picture.

 

[austingtir]

I'm not trying to prove anything about McCaw, I don't have a particular opinion on this as he clearly thought he'd detached and then realises he hasn't and doesn't play him. It's the final scrum of the game and this had no impact on the outcome of the game.

I'm just trying to understand why @smartcooky is claiming the number 8 changes his channel when it doesn't seem like he did.

Especially as he's labeling @French TommyGun a troll for posting the picture.

You need the full unedited clip from the start with all the angles to even begin to go down this track. I mean FFS you cant just pull one 16 second video out and say look at this aliens have invaded!

And again I just dont see the relevance in compared to the ridiculous officiating and missed calls that have gone on in other games. In the context of the game this is either just ANOTHER bad call or a complete nothing that nobody other than the most biased fools would give a **** about.

 

[goodNumber10]

You need the full unedited clip from the start to even begin to go down this track. I mean FFS you cant just pull one 16 second video out and say look at this aliens have invaded!

What on earth are you talking about, that is the entire unedited clip. The scrum is complete from feed to the 9 picking up... there is nothing missing.

And again I just dont see the relevance in compared to the ridiculous officiating and missed calls that have gone on in other games. In the context of the game this is either just ANOTHER bad call or a complete nothing that nobody other than the most biased fools would give a **** about.

Does there have to be relevance to anything else?

He called French Tommygun a troll for posting this, then debunked the image on the basis of something that doesn't seem to have actually happened.

 

[austingtir]

I will buy any New Zealander who manages to rise above this bait a pint.

I dont drink but its heading that way.....

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What on earth are you talking about, that is the entire unedited clip. The scrum is complete from feed to the 9 picking up... there is nothing missing.



Does there have to be relevance to anything else?

He called French Tommygun a troll for posting this, then debunked the image on the basis of something that doesn't seem to have actually happened.

The Relevance im taking about is there a try about to be scored? Does the ref penalise Australia after this? Australia is winning by more than 7 points so again I fail to see the major impact on the game.
This would be relevant if NZ was winning by 2 and australia needed this penalty to win the game. Thats the type of relevance im talking about.

I see no point to your arguement other than biased trolling pure and simple. IF it is a bad call its just one of the MANY in this game and one of the FEW that Australia actually got their way if you review the entire reffing performance!

 

[goodNumber10]

The Relevance im taking about is there a try about to be scored? Does the ref penalise Australia after this? Australia is winning by more than 7 points so again I fail to see the major impact on the game.
This would be relevant if NZ was winning by 2 and australia needed this penalty to win the game. Thats the type of relevance im talking about.

I see no point to your arguement other than biased trolling pure and simple. IF it is a bad call its just one of the MANY in this game and one of the FEW that Australia actually got their way if you review the entire reffing performance!

I've already said it had no relevance.

I didn't post the original clip, i didn't claim the image was factually incorrect - i'm just pointing out the image was correct and SC appears to be wrong.

You can make it about a ton of other things if you want (I wouldnt' be surprised, unmitigated bigotry seems to be the order of the day for a lot of the NZ posters right now) but the facts are what he facts are, McCalman doesn't seem to change his channel, or his bind as Smartcooky claims and based his troll accusation on.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

So what edicts do we expect from WR HQ this time around? Straight put ins? Just kidding. What about the 'no arms' hit at the ruck? It seems a talking point at the mo. Running a block? Nah, NZ and Ireland are too good at it. While we're at it, which directives are refs liable to pay the slightest attention to? Sorry, just kidding again. Anyway, I expect Joel will be firing the emails willy nilly.

I'm just hoping for more informed calls at the scrum and early strictness at the breakdown especially WRT players supporting their own body weight when competing and not going off their feet in en masse defending rucks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/33968219



Interesting. In theory it can make a world of difference and to me, if it means more decisions are got right, then I'm all for it. What I'd also like that League has and now cricket, is us being able to hear the TMO's decision making process. Would help clear some decisions up qswell

Anything that helps get more calls right I'm all for. I'd also love to get running commentry on the TMO reviews. Maybe that might help clear up a few things I thought they've gotten horribly wrong.

 

[austingtir]

The actual problem here is flankers are being allowed to hold on to the scrum with one hand and get as far around the side of the scrum they physically can and then detach when the opposition player flinches as per Hooper in the SA game.

IF Mccaw is illegal its not JUST him doing this every flanker worth their salt is doing this AND getting away with it.....

 

[goodNumber10]

The actual problem here is flankers are being allowed to hold on to the scrum with one hand and get as far around the side of the scrum they physically can and then detach when the opposition player flinches as per Hooper in the SA game.

IF Mccaw is illegal its not JUST him doing this every flanker worth their salt is doing this AND getting away with it.....

Don't think anyone actually disagrees with that.

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I'm just hoping for more informed calls at the scrum and early strictness at the breakdown especially WRT players supporting their own body weight when competing and not going off their feet in en masse defending rucks.

wouldn't hope on the scrum thing, but the breakdown could be sorted with some strict policing.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

The actual problem here is flankers are being allowed to hold on to the scrum with one hand and get as far around the side of the scrum they physically can and then detach when the opposition player flinches as per Hooper in the SA game.

IF Mccaw is illegal its not JUST him doing this every flanker worth their salt is doing this AND getting away with it.....

I think thats what French Tommygun and GN10 were getting at. Whether its a problem or not depends on what exactly one deems to be cheating and whether or not one even has a problem with it even if it could be deemed as such which I know many do not.

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wouldn't hope on the scrum thing, but the breakdown could be sorted with some strict policing.

I know its not something that'll sort itself out, yeah. But that doesn't mean it can't be adressed either by referees taking some form of class regarding the refereeing of scrums or alternatively scrums being officiated by a person (in contact with the ref) with access to multiple TV angles and scrum experience whether that's the TMO, the touch judge with a sideline TV or someone completely new I don't care as I'm sure the expense would be worth it even if only for the global show piece.