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<blockquote data-quote="Umaga&#039;s Witness" data-source="post: 964111" data-attributes="member: 65365"><p>Re First paragraph, the rules do say that a player can put their hand on the ball before a ruck is formed, and they don't have to release it after someone binds to them. But if there had already been a ruck before they arrived then they can't put their hands on the ball. Of course usually when they get their hands on the ball before a ruck is formed the only reason Someone can take them to ground is because the tackled player didn't release the ball.</p><p></p><p>Second paragraph, yeah you are supposed to drive over the ball, a hard thing when there are players all over the ground, and another thing that is only enforced for the attacking team. ...</p><p></p><p>Third paragraph. First, if there has been a ruck at some point With people on their feet over the ball then as soon as they have gone to ground the ruck is considered won by the attacking team at which point all players lying on the ground are forming an offside line for the next play. Second, I cant remember exactly what the rules say. Third, the ref is often wrong. Edit: the rules keep changing, and are different from when I last looked, very recently. The laws say that after a ruck has been formed, if at any time there are no longer any players on their feet then there is still a ruck because none of the criteria about ending a ruck have been met, but no players can join the ruck as they can't bind to anyone in the ruck as although there is still a ruck there is no one in it. The ball is therefore unplayable and so there should be a scrum. This result is actually how the rules were some years ago, though the route to get there was different. And of course no refs rule it that way, instead they rule that only he attacking team can play the ball at that point. </p><p></p><p>Fourth paragraph, before they brought in the requirement to clearly release the tackled player and at the same time became more lenient on tackled players not releasing the ball there used to be a lot of penalties against tackled players for holding on. And yes there were yellow cards for repeat offences. But this hasn't happened in a very long time that I know of, at least 10 years.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umaga's Witness, post: 964111, member: 65365"] Re First paragraph, the rules do say that a player can put their hand on the ball before a ruck is formed, and they don’t have to release it after someone binds to them. But if there had already been a ruck before they arrived then they can’t put their hands on the ball. Of course usually when they get their hands on the ball before a ruck is formed the only reason Someone can take them to ground is because the tackled player didn’t release the ball. Second paragraph, yeah you are supposed to drive over the ball, a hard thing when there are players all over the ground, and another thing that is only enforced for the attacking team. ... Third paragraph. First, if there has been a ruck at some point With people on their feet over the ball then as soon as they have gone to ground the ruck is considered won by the attacking team at which point all players lying on the ground are forming an offside line for the next play. Second, I cant remember exactly what the rules say. Third, the ref is often wrong. Edit: the rules keep changing, and are different from when I last looked, very recently. The laws say that after a ruck has been formed, if at any time there are no longer any players on their feet then there is still a ruck because none of the criteria about ending a ruck have been met, but no players can join the ruck as they can’t bind to anyone in the ruck as although there is still a ruck there is no one in it. The ball is therefore unplayable and so there should be a scrum. This result is actually how the rules were some years ago, though the route to get there was different. And of course no refs rule it that way, instead they rule that only he attacking team can play the ball at that point. Fourth paragraph, before they brought in the requirement to clearly release the tackled player and at the same time became more lenient on tackled players not releasing the ball there used to be a lot of penalties against tackled players for holding on. And yes there were yellow cards for repeat offences. But this hasn’t happened in a very long time that I know of, at least 10 years. [/QUOTE]
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