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Pichot on consistency and the Frank's incident.
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<blockquote data-quote="smartcooky" data-source="post: 815567" data-attributes="member: 20605"><p>It is incumbent upon you to read the earlier posts in a thread before jumping in and posting your own unfounded assertions.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Its not disagreement. Its that you are <u><strong>wrong</strong></u>, and I am and telling you what the facts are. I even quoted the relevant Regulation so that you would see that I am not making it up or merely expressing an opinion.</p><p></p><p>If you think my facts are incorrect post evidence to back up your claim, not just opinion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Show me where the Laws of the Game or any WR Regulation or any WR Directive says that fingers in the eye area ALWAYS warrants a sending off (I know you didn't actually say "always", but its clearly what you were implying). How about if it is accidental or incidental contact? How about during a fend to the face? Do they warrant a sending off? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, actually yes it does</p><p></p><p> <em>"Ordered off"</em> or <em>"Sent off"</em> = red card.</p><p><em>"Temporarily Suspended"</em> = yellow card </p><p></p><p> It is defined as such in the LotG...</p><p></p><p>[TEXTAREA]Law 10.5 SANCTIONS</p><p>(a) Any player who infringes any part of the Foul Play Law must be admonished, or cautioned</p><p>and temporarily suspended for a period of ten minutes' playing time, or sent-off.</p><p></p><p>(b) A player who has been cautioned and temporarily suspended who then commits a second</p><p>cautionable offence within the Foul Play Law must be sent-off.</p><p></p><p>10.6 YELLOW AND RED CARDS</p><p>(a) When a player has been cautioned and <strong>temporarily suspended</strong> in an International match</p><p>the referee will show that player a <strong>yellow card</strong>.</p><p></p><p>(b) When a player has been<strong> sent off</strong> in an International match, the referee will show that player</p><p>a <strong>red card</strong>.</p><p></p><p>(c) For other matches the Match Organiser or Union having jurisdiction over the match may</p><p>decide upon the use of yellow and red cards.</p><p></p><p><strong>10.7 PLAYER SENT OFF</strong></p><p><strong>A player who is sent-off takes no further part in the match</strong>.[/TEXTAREA]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, they absolutely do not. <em>"Ordered off"</em> or <em>"Sent off"</em> <strong>always</strong> involves a red card and <strong>never</strong> involves a yellow card unless it is a second yellow card for the same player in the same match...See the above Law quote </p><p></p><p>NOTE: The two terms <em>"Ordered off"</em> and <em>"Sent off" </em>are used interchangeably in both the LotG and the Regulations. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are ignoring what is stated in Regulation 17 and substituting your own unfounded and incorrect assertion. It may appear that way to the uninitiated, but what happened in every one of those cases is that the Citing Commissioner has been overruled by the Judiciary. That is not the same as your assertion that the Citing Commissioner has cited so the the Judiciary can <em>"have a proper look"</em>. That is not how the system works, and it never happens that way.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>No, it is <strong>emphatically NOT</strong> that at all. Did you actually read the quote from Regulation 17?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>All players who get a red card for an act of foul play go to the judiciary for a hearing</p><p>All players who are cited have been in effect red carded after the match</p><p></p><p>The Citing Officer decides guilt in the same way that a referee decides guilt when he gives a red card. The Judiciary then decides whether the referee and/or citing officer were right or wrong and if they decide he was right, they apply the appropriate punishment as they see fit and i.a.w. Regulation 17.</p><p></p><p>I suggest you download two documents from the WR website</p><p></p><p>1. The Laws of the Game (read Law 10)</p><p>2. The World Rugby Handbook (read of Regulations 17 and 18)</p><p></p><p>Then, when you get into a discussion about sanctions and citings, and the procedures surrounding them with someone who has been a referee, a referee advisor and coach and a referee assessor for over 40 years, you will at least have some chance of knowing what you are talking about.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="smartcooky, post: 815567, member: 20605"] It is incumbent upon you to read the earlier posts in a thread before jumping in and posting your own unfounded assertions. Its not disagreement. Its that you are [U][B]wrong[/B][/U], and I am and telling you what the facts are. I even quoted the relevant Regulation so that you would see that I am not making it up or merely expressing an opinion. If you think my facts are incorrect post evidence to back up your claim, not just opinion. Show me where the Laws of the Game or any WR Regulation or any WR Directive says that fingers in the eye area ALWAYS warrants a sending off (I know you didn't actually say "always", but its clearly what you were implying). How about if it is accidental or incidental contact? How about during a fend to the face? Do they warrant a sending off? Well, actually yes it does [I]"Ordered off"[/I] or [I]"Sent off"[/I] = red card. [I]"Temporarily Suspended"[/I] = yellow card It is defined as such in the LotG... [TEXTAREA]Law 10.5 SANCTIONS (a) Any player who infringes any part of the Foul Play Law must be admonished, or cautioned and temporarily suspended for a period of ten minutes’ playing time, or sent-off. (b) A player who has been cautioned and temporarily suspended who then commits a second cautionable offence within the Foul Play Law must be sent-off. 10.6 YELLOW AND RED CARDS (a) When a player has been cautioned and [B]temporarily suspended[/B] in an International match the referee will show that player a [B]yellow card[/B]. (b) When a player has been[B] sent off[/B] in an International match, the referee will show that player a [B]red card[/B]. (c) For other matches the Match Organiser or Union having jurisdiction over the match may decide upon the use of yellow and red cards. [B]10.7 PLAYER SENT OFF A player who is sent-off takes no further part in the match[/B].[/TEXTAREA] No, they absolutely do not. [I]"Ordered off"[/I] or [I]"Sent off"[/I] [B]always[/B] involves a red card and [B]never[/B] involves a yellow card unless it is a second yellow card for the same player in the same match...See the above Law quote NOTE: The two terms [I]"Ordered off"[/I] and [I]"Sent off" [/I]are used interchangeably in both the LotG and the Regulations. You are ignoring what is stated in Regulation 17 and substituting your own unfounded and incorrect assertion. It may appear that way to the uninitiated, but what happened in every one of those cases is that the Citing Commissioner has been overruled by the Judiciary. That is not the same as your assertion that the Citing Commissioner has cited so the the Judiciary can [I]"have a proper look"[/I]. That is not how the system works, and it never happens that way. No, it is [B]emphatically NOT[/B] that at all. Did you actually read the quote from Regulation 17? All players who get a red card for an act of foul play go to the judiciary for a hearing All players who are cited have been in effect red carded after the match The Citing Officer decides guilt in the same way that a referee decides guilt when he gives a red card. The Judiciary then decides whether the referee and/or citing officer were right or wrong and if they decide he was right, they apply the appropriate punishment as they see fit and i.a.w. Regulation 17. I suggest you download two documents from the WR website 1. The Laws of the Game (read Law 10) 2. The World Rugby Handbook (read of Regulations 17 and 18) Then, when you get into a discussion about sanctions and citings, and the procedures surrounding them with someone who has been a referee, a referee advisor and coach and a referee assessor for over 40 years, you will at least have some chance of knowing what you are talking about. [/QUOTE]
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