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Pichot on consistency and the Frank's incident.
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<blockquote data-quote="Larksea" data-source="post: 815089" data-attributes="member: 43875"><p>I think Franks was stupid to have his hand there but it wasn't a gouge. As Ive said in the end the fact that the ref saw it happen, told franks to stop and he stopped. Plus the fact that the Aussies didn't log a complaint about it probably saved him though he should consider himself lucky.</p><p></p><p>On the Galarza incident which this is being compared to. While I think the sentence was a bit harsh I think this was worse than Franks. He did kinda fishhook the eye socket and gave a quick pull back which is obviously more than what Franks did and I think had more potential to actually do harm. While the fingers were across the eye rather than in the eye and that was what prevented it from being serious, it was still worse than what franks did though still mostly stupid than dangerous.</p><p></p><p>Again people seem to be ignoring what I think is the major difference between the incidents. One happened in the world cup and the other didn't. Like it or not, personally I strongly disagree with this trend but things that happen in a world cups (least 2007 on), always seemed to be more carefully judged and result in harsher sentences, disregard the final where refs get completely whistle shy. But generally on field things that would be penalties become yellow cards and stuff that mite usually be a yellow card start becoming Red Cards and when something gets put to review it tends to get more attention and harsher sentencing. Its pretty clear that the IRB feel during a WC its more than just the rugby community watching its the major sporting event in the world behind the Olympics and football world cup and the whole world is watching, the spotlight is on Rugby. The teams get put on warning for discipline. The IRB want to see clean games and they throw the book at players that cross the line.</p><p></p><p>In general I think all the talk of the AB's getting special treatment is utter petty BS. Just like all teams some days we get the rub of the green and others we don't. In general they are a disciplined team. Aussie bought the ****le to this game and pretty much got away with all of it, you could say they were smart and pretty much played it to the limit. Where Coles got a yellow card for a basically nothing swinging arm and the spotlight this week has all been on franks rather than the Aussie players who turned the game into a handbag fest. I'm sure a lot of crap went down in this game unspotted which is a lot worse than anything we are ranting about.</p><p></p><p>Strictly from an All Black supporter perspective and armchair coach I hope the AB's learn from this game. Coles has come a long way he used to be super hot headed, over time his discipline has improved but he is still clearly susceptible to being riled up by opposition teams, and to a lesser extent Maybe Owen Franks is in the same category. Outside of the Scrums which were a complete and utter mess, which I believe was part of the Aussies gameplan. Franks had one of his best tests ever, he was all over the place and his defense was crunching. For the most part he did what he needed to and met the Aussie ****le and aggression with force on or over that advantage line in the form of crunching legal tackles. His indecent was unnecessary and I hope behind the scenes they discuss what went on and re-establish some boundaries. With the dominance the AB's have many teams are going start baiting the AB's into mistakes for yellow and red cards, I think as we have already seen this season and even looking back at the WC the only time many teams are able to score tries against the AB's is when they have a numbers advantage via the sin bin. So its obvious that in big games teams will bait the AB's into those situations like the Aussies did in this game, and you would have to say they were successful. AB's need to be better prepared for those situations, I think Read, Same Cane, Coles & Ben Smith, Aaron Smith could have done a lot better here. They are the leadership group, the guys that do the talking. Read the game and opposition tactics control the situation so the next teams that try it are not so successful with these tactics.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Larksea, post: 815089, member: 43875"] I think Franks was stupid to have his hand there but it wasn't a gouge. As Ive said in the end the fact that the ref saw it happen, told franks to stop and he stopped. Plus the fact that the Aussies didn't log a complaint about it probably saved him though he should consider himself lucky. On the Galarza incident which this is being compared to. While I think the sentence was a bit harsh I think this was worse than Franks. He did kinda fishhook the eye socket and gave a quick pull back which is obviously more than what Franks did and I think had more potential to actually do harm. While the fingers were across the eye rather than in the eye and that was what prevented it from being serious, it was still worse than what franks did though still mostly stupid than dangerous. Again people seem to be ignoring what I think is the major difference between the incidents. One happened in the world cup and the other didn't. Like it or not, personally I strongly disagree with this trend but things that happen in a world cups (least 2007 on), always seemed to be more carefully judged and result in harsher sentences, disregard the final where refs get completely whistle shy. But generally on field things that would be penalties become yellow cards and stuff that mite usually be a yellow card start becoming Red Cards and when something gets put to review it tends to get more attention and harsher sentencing. Its pretty clear that the IRB feel during a WC its more than just the rugby community watching its the major sporting event in the world behind the Olympics and football world cup and the whole world is watching, the spotlight is on Rugby. The teams get put on warning for discipline. The IRB want to see clean games and they throw the book at players that cross the line. In general I think all the talk of the AB's getting special treatment is utter petty BS. Just like all teams some days we get the rub of the green and others we don't. In general they are a disciplined team. Aussie bought the ****le to this game and pretty much got away with all of it, you could say they were smart and pretty much played it to the limit. Where Coles got a yellow card for a basically nothing swinging arm and the spotlight this week has all been on franks rather than the Aussie players who turned the game into a handbag fest. I'm sure a lot of crap went down in this game unspotted which is a lot worse than anything we are ranting about. Strictly from an All Black supporter perspective and armchair coach I hope the AB's learn from this game. Coles has come a long way he used to be super hot headed, over time his discipline has improved but he is still clearly susceptible to being riled up by opposition teams, and to a lesser extent Maybe Owen Franks is in the same category. Outside of the Scrums which were a complete and utter mess, which I believe was part of the Aussies gameplan. Franks had one of his best tests ever, he was all over the place and his defense was crunching. For the most part he did what he needed to and met the Aussie ****le and aggression with force on or over that advantage line in the form of crunching legal tackles. His indecent was unnecessary and I hope behind the scenes they discuss what went on and re-establish some boundaries. With the dominance the AB's have many teams are going start baiting the AB's into mistakes for yellow and red cards, I think as we have already seen this season and even looking back at the WC the only time many teams are able to score tries against the AB's is when they have a numbers advantage via the sin bin. So its obvious that in big games teams will bait the AB's into those situations like the Aussies did in this game, and you would have to say they were successful. AB's need to be better prepared for those situations, I think Read, Same Cane, Coles & Ben Smith, Aaron Smith could have done a lot better here. They are the leadership group, the guys that do the talking. Read the game and opposition tactics control the situation so the next teams that try it are not so successful with these tactics. [/QUOTE]
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