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<blockquote data-quote="Canadian_Rugger" data-source="post: 556963" data-attributes="member: 12699"><p>Are we talking about in a boxing match then of course I agree with you that an MMA fighter would lose in a boxing match. However, I do not agree that a competitive boxer would beat any MMA fighter in a fight standing because Boxer's are one dimensional fighters. Some Boxers would actually do terrible in an MMA/kickboxing rules standup war because like people manipulate MMA rules to their advantage boxers do the same thing with their rules.</p><p></p><p>Floyd Mayweather Jr's. Philly Shell Defence, for instance, is terrible for MMA as it exposes you to kicks and other non-conventional strikes Muhammad Lawal (who trains with Mayweather Jr.) has tried employing it his past couple of fights and it has worked out less then stellar for him. His last fight he got knocked out by a spinning back-fist to his exposed side.</p><p></p><p>The biggest reason in the past that MMA has been dominated by wrestling is because that is where the majority of the fighters originally came from; however, that is changing and you only need to look at the champions to see that strikers do dominate the UFC as well.</p><p></p><p>Flyweight - Demetrious Johnson - Grappler</p><p>Bantamweight - Dominick Cruz - Striker</p><p>Featherweight - Jose Aldo - Striker</p><p>Lightweight - Benson Henderson - Striker</p><p>Welterweight - GSP - Grappler (Albeit with very effective standup as well)</p><p>Middleweight - Anderson Silva - Striker</p><p>Light Heavyweight - Jon Jones - Grappler (Very effective standup as well)</p><p>Heavyweight - Cain Velasquez - Grappler</p><p></p><p>So really, you don't need to be a good wrestler to dominate MMA, what you need to be is the most complete fighter. TBH I would pay to see Anderson Silva go at it with Mayweather in a kickboxing rules match, even in MMA match and I think Anderson would keep the fight standing as well and wreck Mayweather with kicks and in the clinch.</p><p> </p><p>I like boxing a lot but I don't pretend that they are the demi-gods of striking because fists are but one aspect and when you include clinch-work and kicks into the mix it changes the game entirely. Their have been a couple of boxer's that went and tried K1 and they all got their **** stomped in. Ray Mercer fought Musashi, who is nowhere near the top of the K1 circuit, a few years ago and got murdered with kicks for 15 minutes straight. He then fought Remy Bonjasky who kicked him in the head once and Mercer threw in the towel.</p><p> </p><p>Here is a good Video of how well pure boxing works in a kickboxing/K1 fight</p><p></p><p>[media=youtube]xBG9PeImA10[/media]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Canadian_Rugger, post: 556963, member: 12699"] Are we talking about in a boxing match then of course I agree with you that an MMA fighter would lose in a boxing match. However, I do not agree that a competitive boxer would beat any MMA fighter in a fight standing because Boxer's are one dimensional fighters. Some Boxers would actually do terrible in an MMA/kickboxing rules standup war because like people manipulate MMA rules to their advantage boxers do the same thing with their rules. Floyd Mayweather Jr's. Philly Shell Defence, for instance, is terrible for MMA as it exposes you to kicks and other non-conventional strikes Muhammad Lawal (who trains with Mayweather Jr.) has tried employing it his past couple of fights and it has worked out less then stellar for him. His last fight he got knocked out by a spinning back-fist to his exposed side. The biggest reason in the past that MMA has been dominated by wrestling is because that is where the majority of the fighters originally came from; however, that is changing and you only need to look at the champions to see that strikers do dominate the UFC as well. Flyweight - Demetrious Johnson - Grappler Bantamweight - Dominick Cruz - Striker Featherweight - Jose Aldo - Striker Lightweight - Benson Henderson - Striker Welterweight - GSP - Grappler (Albeit with very effective standup as well) Middleweight - Anderson Silva - Striker Light Heavyweight - Jon Jones - Grappler (Very effective standup as well) Heavyweight - Cain Velasquez - Grappler So really, you don't need to be a good wrestler to dominate MMA, what you need to be is the most complete fighter. TBH I would pay to see Anderson Silva go at it with Mayweather in a kickboxing rules match, even in MMA match and I think Anderson would keep the fight standing as well and wreck Mayweather with kicks and in the clinch. I like boxing a lot but I don't pretend that they are the demi-gods of striking because fists are but one aspect and when you include clinch-work and kicks into the mix it changes the game entirely. Their have been a couple of boxer's that went and tried K1 and they all got their **** stomped in. Ray Mercer fought Musashi, who is nowhere near the top of the K1 circuit, a few years ago and got murdered with kicks for 15 minutes straight. He then fought Remy Bonjasky who kicked him in the head once and Mercer threw in the towel. Here is a good Video of how well pure boxing works in a kickboxing/K1 fight [media=youtube]xBG9PeImA10[/media] [/QUOTE]
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