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2025 Guinness Six Nations
Italy vs Ireland - 16/03/2013
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<blockquote data-quote="Ainsthrilln" data-source="post: 558305" data-attributes="member: 68342"><p>It´s true, but last weekend Italy´s u20 tied with Ireland´s team... 25-25 with four tries to three. Actually, their results in this u20 6 Nations are not as bad, and similar to the french results...</p><p></p><p>Italy U20s 6 - 13 France U20s</p><p>Scotland U20s 30 - 17 Italy U20s</p><p>France U20s 13 - 27 Wales U20s</p><p>Italy U20s 10 - 25 Wales U20s</p><p>England U20s 40 - 10 France U20s</p><p>Ireland U20s 22 - 5 France U20s</p><p>England U20s 52 - 7 Italy U20s</p><p>Italy U20s 25 - 25 Ireland U20s</p><p>France U20s 13 - 10 Scotland U20s</p><p></p><p>Does it mean France need to worry about their future? Of course not. The results of a generation alone are not really important, either they´re bad as you say or quite good (for Italy) as last u20 6 Nations.</p><p></p><p>You´re right about the end of the retirement of the backbone of the team... But the same could be said about a lot of players and Italy kept improving. Think about the last time you saw Mauro Bergamasco, Marco Bortolami, Mirco Bergamasco, Perugini, Ongaro, Festuccia, Agüero, Del Fava, Dellape, Sole... In fact, from the great forwards pack who won two games in the 2007 6N, Castrogiovanni (31), Parisse (29) and Ghiraldini (28) are the last survivors, as Lo Cicero is retired now. Since then, Cittadini, Barbieri, Favaro, Pavanello, Minto, Geldenhuys... had been added to the team, and the pack is consistent. But it´s true Parisse can´t be replaced, even if Barbieri is in great form and Mbanda looks good.</p><p></p><p>The change in the backs has been the same, or better, and I´m sure Italy has now the best backs they have had in a lot of time And most of them are youngs... Think on Gori, Venditti, Benvenuti, McLean, Sgarbi... Canale is not as important now, he played 5 minutes against France (Castro didn´t play against Ireland either). The centers in the victory against France and the good matches in November were Benvenuti and Sgarbi. Masi is still crucial, but McLean has played well as fullback.</p><p></p><p>And there are some good prospects, as Angelo Esposito (fullback/wing), Morisi (center), Campagnaro (center), Iannone (wing)...</p><p></p><p>Fly half is a black hole, it´s true. But it has been the same since the retirement of DomÃnguez, so italian rugby is used to <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />. It´s not true either they have given up to produce a fly half. Actually you have to be italian or be able to play for Italy in order to play as fly half in the italian league, and now there´s a program to try to develop some fly halfs from utility backs as Paolo Buso, but I don´t see much future there...</p><p></p><p>In the u20s Padovani has been the 10 for ages, but it´s very similar to Orquera, but even worse kicker, so it´s not going to be easy for him to reach the NT.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ainsthrilln, post: 558305, member: 68342"] It´s true, but last weekend Italy´s u20 tied with Ireland´s team... 25-25 with four tries to three. Actually, their results in this u20 6 Nations are not as bad, and similar to the french results... Italy U20s 6 - 13 France U20s Scotland U20s 30 - 17 Italy U20s France U20s 13 - 27 Wales U20s Italy U20s 10 - 25 Wales U20s England U20s 40 - 10 France U20s Ireland U20s 22 - 5 France U20s England U20s 52 - 7 Italy U20s Italy U20s 25 - 25 Ireland U20s France U20s 13 - 10 Scotland U20s Does it mean France need to worry about their future? Of course not. The results of a generation alone are not really important, either they´re bad as you say or quite good (for Italy) as last u20 6 Nations. You´re right about the end of the retirement of the backbone of the team... But the same could be said about a lot of players and Italy kept improving. Think about the last time you saw Mauro Bergamasco, Marco Bortolami, Mirco Bergamasco, Perugini, Ongaro, Festuccia, Agüero, Del Fava, Dellape, Sole... In fact, from the great forwards pack who won two games in the 2007 6N, Castrogiovanni (31), Parisse (29) and Ghiraldini (28) are the last survivors, as Lo Cicero is retired now. Since then, Cittadini, Barbieri, Favaro, Pavanello, Minto, Geldenhuys... had been added to the team, and the pack is consistent. But it´s true Parisse can´t be replaced, even if Barbieri is in great form and Mbanda looks good. The change in the backs has been the same, or better, and I´m sure Italy has now the best backs they have had in a lot of time And most of them are youngs... Think on Gori, Venditti, Benvenuti, McLean, Sgarbi... Canale is not as important now, he played 5 minutes against France (Castro didn´t play against Ireland either). The centers in the victory against France and the good matches in November were Benvenuti and Sgarbi. Masi is still crucial, but McLean has played well as fullback. And there are some good prospects, as Angelo Esposito (fullback/wing), Morisi (center), Campagnaro (center), Iannone (wing)... Fly half is a black hole, it´s true. But it has been the same since the retirement of DomÃnguez, so italian rugby is used to :D. It´s not true either they have given up to produce a fly half. Actually you have to be italian or be able to play for Italy in order to play as fly half in the italian league, and now there´s a program to try to develop some fly halfs from utility backs as Paolo Buso, but I don´t see much future there... In the u20s Padovani has been the 10 for ages, but it´s very similar to Orquera, but even worse kicker, so it´s not going to be easy for him to reach the NT. [/QUOTE]
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