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Is Warren Gatland Simply a Lucky Coach?
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<blockquote data-quote="Ragey Erasmus" data-source="post: 865762" data-attributes="member: 56232"><p>Please tell me this is a joke because you honestly can't have this poor an understanding of how reasoning works... Do you even know what circular reasoning is? You are saying other coached couldn't have hypothetically done better than Gatland because Gatland was the one who did it... Let me illustrate the degree of how ridiculous that comment is, I go out and run 100m at a local park and then say Usain Bolt could not hypothetically beat me because he hasn't run 100m in my local park. Someone then points out Usain Bolt has run 100m plenty of times and each time much faster than me but I stick my fingers in my ears and say he didn't do it at my local park therefore there is no reason to believe he is better than me. That is literally the level of idiocy in your reasoning.</p><p></p><p>Jones and Schmidt have proven credentials in coaching a variety of teams to greater success than Gatland but you dismiss their chances because they haven't coached a specific team. Both Schmidt and Jones have beaten all 3 SH teams more than Gatland has and yet you say neither of them could beat 2 of the SH teams more successfully than Gatland. Both of Gatlands tours have been far from convincing and literally both could have been lost with a final penalty kick in 1 game. Had the Aussie not slipped on his penalty and the Kiwis got their penalty, Gatland would have LOST both tests. These aren't massive ifs and buts, that is literally the level of how close both tours were to being lost.</p><p></p><p>As a matter of interest let's compare Gatland with various coaches:</p><p></p><p>Gatland: Ireland: 47.37%, Wales: 50.53%</p><p></p><p>Jones: Australia: 58%, England: 95%</p><p>Lancaster: 61%</p><p>Johnson: 53%</p><p>Brian Ashton: 55%</p><p></p><p>Schmidt: 67.4%</p><p>Kidney: 51.9%</p><p>O'Sullivan 64.9%</p><p></p><p>Cotter: 53%</p><p>Robinson: 43%</p><p>Hadden: 39%</p><p></p><p>As you can see only Scotland during years where they were absolutely pathetic have had a worse win % than Gatland has in his 2 terms as head coach. Gatland has had a fuckton of luck with both the Lions and Wales to make it look like he is more successful than he really is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ragey Erasmus, post: 865762, member: 56232"] Please tell me this is a joke because you honestly can't have this poor an understanding of how reasoning works... Do you even know what circular reasoning is? You are saying other coached couldn't have hypothetically done better than Gatland because Gatland was the one who did it... Let me illustrate the degree of how ridiculous that comment is, I go out and run 100m at a local park and then say Usain Bolt could not hypothetically beat me because he hasn't run 100m in my local park. Someone then points out Usain Bolt has run 100m plenty of times and each time much faster than me but I stick my fingers in my ears and say he didn't do it at my local park therefore there is no reason to believe he is better than me. That is literally the level of idiocy in your reasoning. Jones and Schmidt have proven credentials in coaching a variety of teams to greater success than Gatland but you dismiss their chances because they haven't coached a specific team. Both Schmidt and Jones have beaten all 3 SH teams more than Gatland has and yet you say neither of them could beat 2 of the SH teams more successfully than Gatland. Both of Gatlands tours have been far from convincing and literally both could have been lost with a final penalty kick in 1 game. Had the Aussie not slipped on his penalty and the Kiwis got their penalty, Gatland would have LOST both tests. These aren't massive ifs and buts, that is literally the level of how close both tours were to being lost. As a matter of interest let's compare Gatland with various coaches: Gatland: Ireland: 47.37%, Wales: 50.53% Jones: Australia: 58%, England: 95% Lancaster: 61% Johnson: 53% Brian Ashton: 55% Schmidt: 67.4% Kidney: 51.9% O'Sullivan 64.9% Cotter: 53% Robinson: 43% Hadden: 39% As you can see only Scotland during years where they were absolutely pathetic have had a worse win % than Gatland has in his 2 terms as head coach. Gatland has had a fuckton of luck with both the Lions and Wales to make it look like he is more successful than he really is. [/QUOTE]
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