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<blockquote data-quote="shazbooger" data-source="post: 248999"><p>Back from the game myself and it was an odd affair. Enjoyed it but was also frustrating at the same time. </p><p></p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (elgringoborracho @ Feb 28 2009, 08:09 PM) <a href="http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=382252" target="_blank"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div> </p><p>To be honest, untill Goode came on they didnt look like they wanted to play. They seemed to be more interested in limiting the damage, or hanging on until the break. Not since Argentina have I seen a team play with such limited ambition. Its not like Ireland were good but at least in general we tried to take the ball forward. </p><p></p><p>Sitting in the stand I was laughing (with relief) at how frequently they were getting penalised. Everytime they had us in trouble they lets us off the hook with the stupidest penalty you could imagine. Climbing in the lineout, Taking the scrum down (Vickery really struggled there with Flood packing on his right), and a few blatant hands in the ruck (I havent a clue what Haskell offers, I really dont). The final penalty count was about 16-8 but the common consensus (even amongst a few English fans there) was that the ref took it easy on them. A lot of the off the ball stuff was missed (flutey's shoulder charge should have been a card) and the yellow for repeat infringement (why keep infringing when you know you'll get carded?) should have been shown a lot earlier. </p><p></p><p>The commentators over here pointed out two interesting things. </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">England dont have a talismanic player like O'Connell or O'Driscoll on the pitch. There is no real leader the other players will look to.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Borthwick was given a chance to "talk" to his players before Vickery's card. That would have been a perfect chance to slow the game down, quiten the crowd and tell the players to do anythign but give a penalty away. Instead he declined the ref's offer and about 15 seconds later Vickery was walking.</li> </ul><p>To be honest I like Johnson. I admire what he's done with Worsley as its shut down a lot of attacking options for teams. A very very good move and watch other teams follow. He simply has to start dropping these players. They may be talented but if they cost more points then they earn, they arent worth it. </p><p></p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Feb 28 2009, 07:55 PM) <a href="http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=382250" target="_blank"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div> </p><p>Have to agree with you there. Kearney has a far better kicking game then Armitage but he isnt anywhere near Byrne. Even defensively I think Byrne is far better.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shazbooger, post: 248999"] Back from the game myself and it was an odd affair. Enjoyed it but was also frustrating at the same time. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (elgringoborracho @ Feb 28 2009, 08:09 PM) [url='index.php?act=findpost&pid=382252']<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div> To be honest, untill Goode came on they didnt look like they wanted to play. They seemed to be more interested in limiting the damage, or hanging on until the break. Not since Argentina have I seen a team play with such limited ambition. Its not like Ireland were good but at least in general we tried to take the ball forward. Sitting in the stand I was laughing (with relief) at how frequently they were getting penalised. Everytime they had us in trouble they lets us off the hook with the stupidest penalty you could imagine. Climbing in the lineout, Taking the scrum down (Vickery really struggled there with Flood packing on his right), and a few blatant hands in the ruck (I havent a clue what Haskell offers, I really dont). The final penalty count was about 16-8 but the common consensus (even amongst a few English fans there) was that the ref took it easy on them. A lot of the off the ball stuff was missed (flutey's shoulder charge should have been a card) and the yellow for repeat infringement (why keep infringing when you know you'll get carded?) should have been shown a lot earlier. The commentators over here pointed out two interesting things. [list][*]England dont have a talismanic player like O'Connell or O'Driscoll on the pitch. There is no real leader the other players will look to. [*]Borthwick was given a chance to "talk" to his players before Vickery's card. That would have been a perfect chance to slow the game down, quiten the crowd and tell the players to do anythign but give a penalty away. Instead he declined the ref's offer and about 15 seconds later Vickery was walking.[/list]To be honest I like Johnson. I admire what he's done with Worsley as its shut down a lot of attacking options for teams. A very very good move and watch other teams follow. He simply has to start dropping these players. They may be talented but if they cost more points then they earn, they arent worth it. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Feb 28 2009, 07:55 PM) [url='index.php?act=findpost&pid=382250']<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div> Have to agree with you there. Kearney has a far better kicking game then Armitage but he isnt anywhere near Byrne. Even defensively I think Byrne is far better. [/QUOTE]
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