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<blockquote data-quote="Ragey Erasmus" data-source="post: 1167653" data-attributes="member: 56232"><p>Can you point to a single moment when Farrell has dragged England back from the brink as captain? I can't. Ford and Smith both have moments where their own individual initiative and taking a game by the scruff of the neck has turned things around, Farrell doesn't do that. He has had plenty of moments where he has gone to pieces and lost his head, throwing wayward passes, shouting at the ref or his own players, not bothering to put the effort into a chase, scuffing his kicks, missing huge overlaps etc. This idea that Farrell is this solid keeping calm under pressure, with you in the trenches thing is such bullshit and can go the same way as his "iceman" persona, we can see with our own eyes it's simply not true. Farrell is a players who can flourish when winning and things are going well but he is not a player who can turn it around when it's going badly.</p><p></p><p>Yes you need a mix of experience and youth, the thing is that experience needs to be GOOD experience. I don't care how many caps a player has if a larger chunk of those caps are them playing badly. Ewels has 30 caps, would I select him above any of our other locks for his "experience"? No way. You say succession is important, so what's your explanation for our scrumhalf situation, given you are also arguing the coaches know so much more than us. Is it every single English scrumhalf was just that bad that we only needed Youngs for 6 years? Now he's retiring and we have no idea at all who the successor is nor do we have any others with any experience. I don't want a repeat at FH of what has happened at SH, with 1 underperforming player gobbling up way more caps than they deserve, consistently underperforming and blocking any younger players getting a serious look in. SH and FH do more to dictate the game than any other players and we are repeatedly handicapping ourselves with this frankly ******* insane attitude of sticking with Youngs and Farrell until the day they retire!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ragey Erasmus, post: 1167653, member: 56232"] Can you point to a single moment when Farrell has dragged England back from the brink as captain? I can't. Ford and Smith both have moments where their own individual initiative and taking a game by the scruff of the neck has turned things around, Farrell doesn't do that. He has had plenty of moments where he has gone to pieces and lost his head, throwing wayward passes, shouting at the ref or his own players, not bothering to put the effort into a chase, scuffing his kicks, missing huge overlaps etc. This idea that Farrell is this solid keeping calm under pressure, with you in the trenches thing is such bullshit and can go the same way as his "iceman" persona, we can see with our own eyes it's simply not true. Farrell is a players who can flourish when winning and things are going well but he is not a player who can turn it around when it's going badly. Yes you need a mix of experience and youth, the thing is that experience needs to be GOOD experience. I don't care how many caps a player has if a larger chunk of those caps are them playing badly. Ewels has 30 caps, would I select him above any of our other locks for his "experience"? No way. You say succession is important, so what's your explanation for our scrumhalf situation, given you are also arguing the coaches know so much more than us. Is it every single English scrumhalf was just that bad that we only needed Youngs for 6 years? Now he's retiring and we have no idea at all who the successor is nor do we have any others with any experience. I don't want a repeat at FH of what has happened at SH, with 1 underperforming player gobbling up way more caps than they deserve, consistently underperforming and blocking any younger players getting a serious look in. SH and FH do more to dictate the game than any other players and we are repeatedly handicapping ourselves with this frankly ******* insane attitude of sticking with Youngs and Farrell until the day they retire! [/QUOTE]
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