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Ok, have just got back from seeing this movie and I'm convinced this one's going to have three kinds of viewer, extremely pleased, mildly happy and disappointed.

I was extremely pleased, mind you I went in with the right kind of expectations, I was ready for the franchise to be somehow derailed by this final chapter. Did that happen for me? Not at all.

This movie has holes and flaws and you'll all find them, but it's in how you as a viewer choose to react to them which really defines this films quality.

Some of these flaws are in some majorly overblown action survival scenarios, where you just know that no one would walk away from these things, but hey, this is Indiana Jones and for 2 hours 20 minutes, you aren't in our world anymore, your in his and it all works by his rules. Let those who are nit-pickers beware, there are many to pick, although those who can get lost in escapist fun and adventure will overlook these and just enjoy a thrill ride from start to finish.

I found that Last Crusade offered a fairly fitting ending to one of cinemas greatest characters, whereas this film offered a much neater and more complete finish. This for me rounds out the character arc of Doctor Jones and I'm more than happy if this is where we say goodbye.

As for the performances, anyone who was worried by Shia LaBeouf will for the most part find their concerns slipping away by the minute, I know I did. There were a couple of things they had him do which I thought were cool, but waaay over the top, but in general this movie showed that he's the kind of guy who can handle difficult roles and if not shine over-whelmingly, then at least not stuff them up.

Karen Allen was fine in her role and the only thing I could say against her was that there were a couple of lines she delivered which betrayed the fact that she'd largely been away from acting for a long time. Besides that her part was largely tagging along with Indy & co and helping with a bit of plot exposition, but that was fine with me.

Others, such as Ray Winstone and Jim Broadbent provided their usual solid and interesting performances. I felt Winstone, as Indy's sidekick, and Broadbent as the University's Dean, both did a great job given the fact they are new additions to Dr Jones' circle of friends.

Finally, Harrison Ford. There is no doubt that this man is the embodiment of Indiana Jones (and presumably Han Solo too), till he leaves this world. He's been an actor who's been missing in action over the last 19 years since the last installment. Sure he had Air Force One and What Lies Beneath, but both of those could only be described as "decent" or "good" efforts. This is back to doing what he does do well. Don't get me wrong, there are a couple of lines, maybe three, where there's something in the way he speaks which doesn't quite sound like the Indy of old. This can clearly be put down to the fact that Indiana isn't the same person exactly to who he was. He's an older man and like us all, we change, gradually.

The stunt work for the most part, had you believe that this was one unbelievably tough old guy, but we have to remember that the action and punishment Indiana endures is as natural to him as sitting in front of our PS3's and Xbox 360's whilst chowing down burgers or nachos is for us. He's a part of that generation which won us our freedom in the second world war and never had the chance to waste a large chunk of his life in front of a tv set. That said there's one event where credibility is stretched beyond belief, but I'm willing to let them away with it. Why? Because I love this character.

What of the story? Well, this is a tale which isn't traditionally an Indiana Jones story, this is new territory and more than a little sci-fi. There are those who won't like that it's not a strictly "religious" artifact that's being sought out, but I think most of us will be more than happy to be offered something more than the usual "standard fare" for such an important, perhaps final chapter in the Dr Jones saga.

In closing, I have to say that there will be many who aren't as impressed with this movie as I was, but I guess many of us have now grown up and can't look at a film like this the way we did when were in our childhood or adolescence. I also believe that so many of us have become jaded movie critics and almost seem to watch films with a notebook and checklist, waiting for everything we want and noting down any flaws if we aren't delivered our personal fantasy.

If you aren't one of those people and you are a fan of Indiana Jones, go right away, you are headed for a blissful experience.

I'd love to hear your views.
 
Indiana Jones in back in this high action movie. I went to see Indy last night with a girl from work. Straight after the movie had finished she turned around to me and said "You brought me to see a movie about UFO's?" Clearly she didn't really enjoy it, whereas I loved it, but it did have some flaws.

The directors made some suttle references to the previous Indiana Jones movies. The quick glance at the Ark Of The Covenant as Dr Henry Jones Jnr. escaped from the crate warehouse, telling Mutt not to touch anything when they were in the burial chamber and the pictures of his father and Marcus.
Indiana really seemed out of place in the older era, yet I still felt another movie could be made. The only thing that let me down during the movie was when we found out that Mutt was Indy's son. Really detest the actor who plays Mutt, mainly from his time in Even Stevens.

Has anyone else seem the movie? What did you think?
 
Oh, thanks for the spoilor there, that's really great and I appreciate it tons. <_<
 
Yeh, fair enough, but edit it out, otherwise more people will have it spoiled, or if you can't, get an admin to do it.....PRONTO.
 
Sent a PM to Teh Mite, hopefully he'll be able to edit it in time to save other members. Sorry again lads.
 
Oh ****, I just realised that that will spoil it for Teh Mite now! D:
Tell him to delete all the posts, unless he doesn't care for spoilors. D:
 
Indiana Jones in back in this high action movie. I went to see Indy last night with a girl from work. Straight after the movie had finished she turned around to me and said "You brought me to see a movie about UFO's?" Clearly she didn't really enjoy it, whereas I loved it, but it did have some flaws.

The directors made some suttle references to the previous Indiana Jones movies. The quick glance at the Ark Of The Covenant as Dr Henry Jones Jnr. escaped from the crate warehouse, telling Mutt not to touch anything when they were in the burial chamber and the pictures of his father and Marcus.
Indiana really seemed out of place in the older era, yet I still felt another movie could be made. The only thing that let me down during the movie was when we found out that Mutt was Indy's son. Really detest the actor who plays Mutt, mainly from his time in Even Stevens.

Has anyone else seem the movie? What did you think?

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Disagree with you about Mutt!

Good actor and has developed well since his time in Even Stevens.

I still reckon there is one more film left to be made!!!
 
Merged these topics as mine had been out for a few days. Best to not have two identical threads going.
 
<div class='quotemain'> Indiana Jones in back in this high action movie. I went to see Indy last night with a girl from work. Straight after the movie had finished she turned around to me and said "You brought me to see a movie about UFO's?" Clearly she didn't really enjoy it, whereas I loved it, but it did have some flaws.

The directors made some suttle references to the previous Indiana Jones movies. The quick glance at the Ark Of The Covenant as Dr Henry Jones Jnr. escaped from the crate warehouse, telling Mutt not to touch anything when they were in the burial chamber and the pictures of his father and Marcus.
Indiana really seemed out of place in the older era, yet I still felt another movie could be made. The only thing that let me down during the movie was when we found out that Mutt was Indy's son. Really detest the actor who plays Mutt, mainly from his time in Even Stevens.

Has anyone else seem the movie? What did you think?

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Disagree with you about Mutt!

Good actor and has developed well since his time in Even Stevens.

I still reckon there is one more film left to be made!!!
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What are your reasons for saying one more film could be made? During the Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull you saw Indiana move from a grumpy old man, to a loving family man. He now has a family and is 65ish. The only way I can see another movie being made is were they would set it before this movie. Perhaps maybe during WWII as there was references to him winning many medals on countless missions.
 
Let me start out by saying I am a huge Indiana Jones fan. These movies are some of my greatest childhood memories. It may be a bit laughable, but it's what got me really interested in History and probably the reason I'm pursuing a masters (and eventually PHD) in the subject.
SPOILER ALERT: I'M ABOUT TO DISCUSS THIS FILM AT LENGTH
However, this movie was a complete dissapointment. George Lucas is ruining his own franchises. I read in so many articles about how many scripts he rejected. Really? You were super picky about this script and this was the one you picked?
I have no complaints about the acting or filming. Harrison Ford was brilliant. All the other actors played their parts excellently. The problem was the actual movie. Lucas strayed from the formula. This is like Rocky V. In the rest of the films one feels as if he's figuring things out with Indiana. Not in this film. It seems a bit dummed down. Things are just kind of explained to you.
The romance seemed forced. I don't have a problem with him getting married, it just felt odd. I had no problem with Mutt being his son, that was kind of inevitable. Dr. Jones is getting older, the Nazis had been defeated and I think the Soviet Union was a great idea for an enemy. That was good.
Let me get to my biggest problem: Aliens, UFOs, Area 51. These movies have always been intertwined with the religious supernatural, but I don't think Aliens really fit the bill. These Crystal Skull things actually do exist. However they aren't the enlogated skull, alieny looking things in the film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_skull). In itself those are a bit mysterious...are they a hoax, or are they real? I just don't like tying them in with Roswell, ect... So, I don't mean to really ruin it, but from a historical standpoint the previous movies at least included actual historical mystery. The Raiders of the Lost Arc, followed an exact theory of where the Arc of the Covenant could have ended up. The Temple of Doom follows a mixture of old world blood thirsty cult practices. The Last Crusade follows the myths and legends of the Holy Grail. I can go on and on, but they follow a model of some historical accuracy (based on legends and accounts debated by modern historians and archeologists) mixed with fun and action. The Legend of the Crystal Skull deviates from this. The Skulls at their best carry a new-agey power vibe. The legends aren't associated with aliens at all. I can't find one reference that even makes it a legitimate theory.
I understand that we don't watch Indiana Jones for exact historical accuracy, but the historical side of it is what has always kept it interesting. The historical details of this are really forced, vague connections made by a desperate Lucas who is probably scared that the National Treasure franchise has taken his last idea for the film.
Needless to say, this movie left me feeling a bit depressed. I was so hyped up for it. As a die-hard Indiana Jones fan, it in no way lived up to the trilogy. Despite all this, it was great to see Harrison Ford pick up the role again...he is as much of a legend as his character.
 
Agree with most of that, but a 3 out of 10? That's a bit harsh. I'm not one to dock it points for that as it didn't matter to me as much as it has to you (the historical significance), but surely that lowers it from an 8 to at worst a 5?

George Lucas has become a prat and the story could have been much better I admit, but to be honest it's just not THAT bad at all to me.
 
I am a huge Indiana Jones fan, which is one of the reasons I am hoping to study Ancient History and Archaeology at University. Whereas many people have given the new movie a bad review, I would give it a good view.

Let me get to my biggest problem: Aliens, UFOs, Area 51. These movies have always been intertwined with the religious supernatural, but I don't think Aliens really fit the bill.

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The movie moved on from the old Indiana Jones movies by bringing in the topics which were around at that time. Many ancient civilizations believed in extraterrestrials, especially in Egypt and South America. It was believed that the drawings on the ground in South America were created so that the Gods could see them if they came back to Earth. So who can say that the Gods they wanted to come down to the surface were not aliens from another world? Indiana Jones always was written with myth and fact, same with the new movie. The myth is the power of the crystal skulls and the extraterrestrials, and the fact was the beliefs of the South American civilizations and the ground drawings. Why can't the makers of the movie link the Roswell alien incident and mysterious beliefs of past civilizations and the myth of the crystal skulls?
 
I am a huge Indiana Jones fan, which is one of the reasons I am hoping to study Ancient History and Archaeology at University. Whereas many people have given the new movie a bad review, I would give it a good view.

Let me get to my biggest problem: Aliens, UFOs, Area 51. These movies have always been intertwined with the religious supernatural, but I don't think Aliens really fit the bill.

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The movie moved on from the old Indiana Jones movies by bringing in the topics which were around at that time. Many ancient civilizations believed in extraterrestrials, especially in Egypt and South America. It was believed that the drawings on the ground in South America were created so that the Gods could see them if they came back to Earth. So who can say that the Gods they wanted to come down to the surface were not aliens from another world? Indiana Jones always was written with myth and fact, same with the new movie. The myth is the power of the crystal skulls and the extraterrestrials, and the fact was the beliefs of the South American civilizations and the ground drawings. Why can't the makers of the movie link the Roswell alien incident and mysterious beliefs of past civilizations and the myth of the crystal skulls?

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Sure, they can do it and they did. I just think it was too stretched. I felt like he (lucas) watched Stargate one too many times. I honestly feel like the man is tapped out on ideas.
 
I gave it a five.

I thought this new film was a complete and utter let-down, this coming from someone who wasn't expecting much! The worst thing was that it was over the top in almost every way (as most action films are nowerdays). I could hardly go 10min before turning to my friend with a 'yeah right', ok that was slightly exaggerated, but there were so many impossible stunts, with a couple being completely laughable.

I won't go on anymore, as O'Roth summed it up perfectly for me.
 
It was a let down overall but I think you have to realise that it is a kids film. Watch Temple of doom and the awfull Last Crusade and there are no end of cringeworthy moments throughout. My kids liked it so that will do for me.
 
I think all action films are ridiculously over-the-top. The thing with this one is, that George Lucas is mostly likely to blame for the majorly over the top stuff.

Spielberg is no longer in his prime, but I can be pretty sure from his past efforts, such as Saving Private Ryan and some of his other stuff, that he is not likely to be the problem with the stunts.

George Lucas has over the last 10 years been dealing with Jedis, so I'd point the finger squarely at him. Also, he seems to have a lot of pleasure in annoying his film-going audience nowadays.

Of the two of them I used to absolutely love Lucas as a kid, as an adult I realise Lucas just invented Star Wars then moved onto an eternal 50/50 mix of good ideas and absolute tripe.
 
[Sorry for any potential spoilers that may appear.]

I actually was half expecting Lucas to ruin the franchise with this movie. But I had higher hopes for it, and to be honest, I'm really disappointed with the plot. The actors, sounds, music, and special effects were great. But, it took them nearly two decades to come up with THAT for a plot? That's just sad, and I think one of the rejected scripts would have been better than what they did use. Now, I understand why they went with it for that era and all, but I don't have to like it. I would have preferred to see Indy during WWII. Also, there were many other things they could have done with the era. Another thing I think was missing was the multiple locations from the previous films. They only went to two place whereas "The Last Crusade" went to so many locations I can't count. The Indiana Jones films were what gave me my love of history and the WWII era, but I was really let down by this latest film.
 
To be honest, despite the criticisms I've levelled at Lucas and the outrageous cgi monkey-swinging scene, along with that blast and the waterfall sequence, I still really like the film. I'm having to ignore some stuff and pray that a directors cut comes out which fixes all of the above (which won't happen in a million years), but I can't help like damn near all the film. To me it's mostly still all Indy.

By the way, no-one apologise for spoilers from here on. People have had time to see it and if they are instead reading this thread, well thats up to them.
 

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