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<blockquote data-quote="St George" data-source="post: 598192" data-attributes="member: 69634"><p>Thank you Cooky for helping to make my point. Because the fact is, the teams that are put forward by certain European nations into the HC are not <strong>the best </strong>as you initially said, but they are the <strong>only teams </strong>due to the way those nations have structured themselves. And so we have a European competition which has some very good teams and some fill ins. Just like the World Cup as you also stated. But do we want to see the types of games that we get in the WC where cricket scores are the norm? I for one don't. Football has a system whereby those teams which finish bottom of their qualifying criteria, (4th place in the EPL) should have to go into a playoff comp to gain access into the Champions League. It's basically weeding out the very weak teams so that the CL is as competitive as possible.</p><p>If we are to see nations with weak club teams be guaranteed entry into the HC, then why not make it into a truly representative Euro comp and have all other rugby nations enter a team? Because that would be a disaster for the weaker nations that's why. And so they have their own Euro comp which is more akin to their level. (BTW, the Franglais were originally proposing that the winner of that 3rd tier Euro comp got automatic entry into the HC. That is truly rewarding exellence on the field). </p><p>Those teams that do not make the HC are not cast aside into the wilderness, as some on here would like to think, they then enter the Amlin Cup and get a real opportunity to shine for their fans instead of getting beat up all the time. </p><p>It isnt rocket science to see that winning teams attract fans and losing teams lose fans. Its why there is an upsurge in fans after teams do well in the WC etc. </p><p></p><p>And Cooky....i think Exeter going from Championship to HC<strong> is </strong>progress, and i bet my house that their fans think the same as well. Those other teams you mention will have to improve or they will go down and another team will be given a chance to shine. </p><p>And also, i believe the Welsh are trying to establish a region to represent the north of Wales, and that it will initially play in the lower Welsh league before entering the Rabo12. I wonder what will happen though if it cannot beat the lower Welsh teams? Will it automatically be promoted even though it is not <strong>the best team</strong>?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="St George, post: 598192, member: 69634"] Thank you Cooky for helping to make my point. Because the fact is, the teams that are put forward by certain European nations into the HC are not [B]the best [/B]as you initially said, but they are the [B]only teams [/B]due to the way those nations have structured themselves. And so we have a European competition which has some very good teams and some fill ins. Just like the World Cup as you also stated. But do we want to see the types of games that we get in the WC where cricket scores are the norm? I for one don't. Football has a system whereby those teams which finish bottom of their qualifying criteria, (4th place in the EPL) should have to go into a playoff comp to gain access into the Champions League. It's basically weeding out the very weak teams so that the CL is as competitive as possible. If we are to see nations with weak club teams be guaranteed entry into the HC, then why not make it into a truly representative Euro comp and have all other rugby nations enter a team? Because that would be a disaster for the weaker nations that's why. And so they have their own Euro comp which is more akin to their level. (BTW, the Franglais were originally proposing that the winner of that 3rd tier Euro comp got automatic entry into the HC. That is truly rewarding exellence on the field). Those teams that do not make the HC are not cast aside into the wilderness, as some on here would like to think, they then enter the Amlin Cup and get a real opportunity to shine for their fans instead of getting beat up all the time. It isnt rocket science to see that winning teams attract fans and losing teams lose fans. Its why there is an upsurge in fans after teams do well in the WC etc. And Cooky....i think Exeter going from Championship to HC[B] is [/B]progress, and i bet my house that their fans think the same as well. Those other teams you mention will have to improve or they will go down and another team will be given a chance to shine. And also, i believe the Welsh are trying to establish a region to represent the north of Wales, and that it will initially play in the lower Welsh league before entering the Rabo12. I wonder what will happen though if it cannot beat the lower Welsh teams? Will it automatically be promoted even though it is not [B]the best team[/B]? [/QUOTE]
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