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<blockquote data-quote="psychic duck" data-source="post: 598164" data-attributes="member: 48703"><p>The Ospreys need to run as a business as well. They should be compensated better for the large amount of Wales players supplied. The Dragons do bugger all for the national team and harm the 3 providers chances. Ireland have managed to get a huge advantage over Welsh regions by treating Connacht (who traditionally provide less internationals than them) like runts. The Ospreys should get Faletau the same way Leinster can ruthlessly obtain any decent Connacht player like McCarthy or Cronin for instance. Putting more money into 3 teams would also help them be more successful and more likely to keep their own players as well.</p><p></p><p>The Dragons taking undeserved money the other 3 regions for nothing gained themselves is one of the biggest problems with the WRU.</p><p></p><p>I don't buy your theory at all, it's a business, the WRU looking at results would be far wiser to invest more funds in the Ospreys, Blues and Scarlets who had 10, 9 and 9 players in the 6N squad respectively (along with French based players produced by them) whilst the Dragons who had an pathetic 2 despite getting equal funding. </p><p></p><p>If they want more funding they should have to earn it. The current arrangement is a **** take for all the Team Wales providers. If there were 4 people sent out to collect berries and 3 brought back a 100 and the other brought back 10, would you think it fair that they were all given the same funding? The success of the Ospreys is hurt by Wales taking away players yet the don't get rewarded for producing.</p><p></p><p>And by the way, the Heineken Cup would improve much in quality with the 20 team format the French and English put forward. It's up to the Zebre to improve themselves and get up the Pro12 table. And why should they receive special treatment? If you want to help the smaller side in Zebre then why aren't you also helping all the other club sides in Europe? Any Celt/Italian that talks of "needing places to improve" is hypocritical. They won't even put forward a mere Amlin Cup place for Georgian, Russian or Romanian club sides in favour of inferior Italian clubs.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The majority was against weakened Ospreys. Ambushing them was the highlight event of the Dragons season seeing as they'll never actually win anything. Sadly they have now helped afflicted the same fate on the rest of the regions now. The Ospreys will be fighting just to avoid bottom place in the pool this time, it's plausible we could have 3 bottom placed Welsh regions this season.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The Heineken Cup versions haven't, which is the main priority of the teams. The Ospreys are not as good as they were in 2012 either, and are likely to get worse. They have very little of chance of repeating a draw from the Rabo in the H Cup. Glasgow's record in Europe isn't all that impressive, they were doubled pretty easily by Ulster last season. I can't imagine Leinster having too many problems with them, perhaps in the away leg maybe.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="psychic duck, post: 598164, member: 48703"] The Ospreys need to run as a business as well. They should be compensated better for the large amount of Wales players supplied. The Dragons do bugger all for the national team and harm the 3 providers chances. Ireland have managed to get a huge advantage over Welsh regions by treating Connacht (who traditionally provide less internationals than them) like runts. The Ospreys should get Faletau the same way Leinster can ruthlessly obtain any decent Connacht player like McCarthy or Cronin for instance. Putting more money into 3 teams would also help them be more successful and more likely to keep their own players as well. The Dragons taking undeserved money the other 3 regions for nothing gained themselves is one of the biggest problems with the WRU. I don't buy your theory at all, it's a business, the WRU looking at results would be far wiser to invest more funds in the Ospreys, Blues and Scarlets who had 10, 9 and 9 players in the 6N squad respectively (along with French based players produced by them) whilst the Dragons who had an pathetic 2 despite getting equal funding. If they want more funding they should have to earn it. The current arrangement is a **** take for all the Team Wales providers. If there were 4 people sent out to collect berries and 3 brought back a 100 and the other brought back 10, would you think it fair that they were all given the same funding? The success of the Ospreys is hurt by Wales taking away players yet the don't get rewarded for producing. And by the way, the Heineken Cup would improve much in quality with the 20 team format the French and English put forward. It's up to the Zebre to improve themselves and get up the Pro12 table. And why should they receive special treatment? If you want to help the smaller side in Zebre then why aren't you also helping all the other club sides in Europe? Any Celt/Italian that talks of "needing places to improve" is hypocritical. They won't even put forward a mere Amlin Cup place for Georgian, Russian or Romanian club sides in favour of inferior Italian clubs. The majority was against weakened Ospreys. Ambushing them was the highlight event of the Dragons season seeing as they'll never actually win anything. Sadly they have now helped afflicted the same fate on the rest of the regions now. The Ospreys will be fighting just to avoid bottom place in the pool this time, it's plausible we could have 3 bottom placed Welsh regions this season. The Heineken Cup versions haven't, which is the main priority of the teams. The Ospreys are not as good as they were in 2012 either, and are likely to get worse. They have very little of chance of repeating a draw from the Rabo in the H Cup. Glasgow's record in Europe isn't all that impressive, they were doubled pretty easily by Ulster last season. I can't imagine Leinster having too many problems with them, perhaps in the away leg maybe. [/QUOTE]
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