God help us - The World Cup needs him - Juan Martin Hernandez

[Melhor Time]

Juan Martín Hernández

It did not look good - Hernández tackled high yesterday for RM vs Bourgoin and his leg buckled with his knee getting badly hurt. The tackle was not to blame, rather the way he fell.

Got word from a contact in Buenos Aires that he is out of rugby for 6 months meaning he is all but out of the World Cup. The best flyhalf from France 2007 out. It would be tragic for the tournament and of course his country.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_6800107,00.html - Story here.

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

Firstly, I feel for Hernandez. Potentially missing the World Cup due to injury is horrible for any player.

Secondly, is there a more over-rated player in world rugby than Hernandez? All he does is kick garryowens and attempt drop goals. Somebody should teach him how to play flyhalf effectively..

 

[gingergenius]

Firstly, I feel for Hernandez. Potentially missing the World Cup due to injury is horrible for any player.

Secondly, is there a more over-rated player in world rugby than Hernandez? All he does is kick garryowens and attempt drop goals. Somebody should teach him how to play flyhalf effectively..

Rob Kearney in 2009

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

Is Rob Kearney a fullback or a flyhalf? Does he constantly attempt drop goals? I don't get the comparison I'm afraid.

 

[Teh Mite]

Rob Kearney in 2009

This

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

This

See the post above you. I'm not denying Kearney kicks it a lot. He's not a 10 though.

 

[Teh Mite]

Is Rob Kearney a fullback or a flyhalf? Does he constantly attempt drop goals? I don't get the comparison I'm afraid.

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Secondly, is there a more over-rated player in world rugby than Hernandez?

Position wasn't specified.

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

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Position wasn't specified.

Apart from this line:
Somebody should teach him how to play flyhalf effectively.

If he wants to play a kicking game at fullback, fine. It's boring but it's an adequate way to play.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

Is Rob Kearney a fullback or a flyhalf? Does he constantly attempt drop goals? I don't get the comparison I'm afraid.

The previous post asked for a more over-rated player albeit rhetorically. Not a comparison per se.

That said I have to say that I wouldn't say Kearney, well, yeah maybe he was overrated being compared to God and what not but he did have an [BLINK]AMAZING[/BLINK] 2009 to be fair.

 

[nickdnz]

Star Argentina back Juan Martin Hernandez has vowed to 'do the impossible' and play at the World Cup later this year.

Hernandez ruptured a knee ligament playing for Racing Metro against Bourgoin in the French Top 14 at the weekend and is likely to be out for six months.

The World Cup is scheduled for September and October in New Zealand, meaning the 28-year-old faces a race against time to be fit.

Hernandez knows he is up against it but is determined to feature for the Pumas.

He said on his website: "We are not far from the World Cup and the timescale is very tight but I will do the impossible to be there and fight for a spot in the team."

Argentina coach Santiago Phelan is likely to give his star man until the very last minute to prove his fitness and there is speculation in South America he may grant him a squad place even if Hernandez is only able to play in the knockout stages.

The Pumas open their Pool B campaign against England on September 10 and also take on Scotland, Georgia and Romania.

Team doctor Guillermo Botto was realistic when asked about Hernandez's chances of appearing in the game's showpiece event.

He told Press Association Sport: "Usually this kind of surgery takes six months to recover from. And we're exactly six months away from the World Cup.

"So we have to be optimistic and work towards that.

"He will obviously not have the ideal training, and will miss the rhythm of playing matches before the World Cup, but he may be fit to play in New Zealand."

Hernandez has suffered a similar injury before, in 2002. On that occasion he returned seven and a half months later.

http://www.allblacks.com/news/15600/Hernandez-in-World-Cup-race

 

[Melhor Time]

Who hijacked the French ***le... thumbs down to you.

Firstly, I feel for Hernandez. Potentially missing the World Cup due to injury is horrible for any player.

Secondly, is there a more over-rated player in world rugby than Hernandez? All he does is kick garryowens and attempt drop goals. Somebody should teach him how to play flyhalf effectively..

You obviously

1. Have never played flyhalf.

2. Have not watched much of Hernández.

Judging him on his World Cup matches vs France and Ireland.... He was under instruction for these two matches to play this way. Watch how he played vs Georgia in comparision. Or the Bronze final.

Hernández overrated... only kicks the ball high and goes for drop goals. Thats a good one. You did not watch him playing for Paris from 2007-2009 did you.... There is no coincidence that SF Paris have gone to the cleaners without him. Beauxis has struggled. The team is losing to the likes of Castres and Brive now. Unthinkable.... As soon as he left the club plummeted. Last season was the first without him and the worst Top 14 in the history of the club. This season is looking just as bad, if not worse. The team will not make the Play-offs and thus miss out on the Heineken Cup. Before he left SF were playing well and semi finalists every year of the Top 14. All the French rugby sources talked of him as being the best player in the competition and many the world.

If you don´t rate Hernández then thats your call but you certainly need to try to explain yourself a lot better. Saying he kicks all the time is simply not true and stinks of an Irish fan with resentment because of what happened in the World Cup. I hope I am not correct about this. Its beyond me how someone can say Hern[ández is overrated. But when the person says its because of dropgoals and highballs it makes sense... you haven´t actually seen much of him play.

Overrated flyhalves = Dan Parks, Stephen Jones, David Skrela, Matt Giteau, Stephen Donald, Johnny Sexton, and the biggest of them all - Morne Steyn.

Carter and Hernández are in a league of their own. Complete players in defense, kicking passing and woth great running games, None of the above can tick all these boxes.
I would suggest you find a match of the 2007 Top 14 Final (Stade Français vs Clermont).

Anyhow here is the injury:



There are loads of videos on Hernandez. Here are a few.

 

[Logorrhea]

Just a poor mans Gavin Henson if you ask me.

Can he dance?

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

You obviously

1. Have never played flyhalf.

2. Have not watched much of Hernández.

That's a ridiculous, snobby comment. I played rugby until 2 years ago for a junior club and, guess what, I was a flyhalf. I wasn't a very good flyhalf because I couldn't pass the ball, sat too deep and relied on my boot all the time but I was a flyhalf.

There's no resentment here towards Argentina. Ireland deserved to be knocked out of that World Cup and were thoroughly outplayed by Argentina. If posts from the old forum can be traced you'll see that I was very complimentary of Argentina. They and South Africa were the teams who best adapted to the laws. I predicted Argentina would get to the final once they got out of the group- the comments of an idiot, not somebody who shows disregard for the Pumas.

My opinion of Hernandez is based on his play as a flyhalf. He's an excellent fullback who should have stuck to that position. He's good at off the cuff rugby when picked at 15 and if the game loosens up. He's not good at controlling a game from 10. In many ways he's similar to Isa Nacewa in that he doesn't have a good enough rugby brain for 10 but is a strong fullback who can fill in at 10 if needed. A couple of highlight videos on youtube won't change my mind. That website is littered with inaccurate videos as to the merits of certain players. Check out clips of a guy called Billy Ngawini- he looks like a superstar from selected clips.

Of course he played differently against Georgia and France in the 3rd/4th place game. Argentina are a much better team than Georgia so could play with freedom while the bronze medal game is a no pressure type of game where the result is meaningless.

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Apologies for getting mixed up about talk of Rob Kearney. I thought people were comparing him to JM Hernandez's play at flyhalf rather than judging him solely as a fullback. Kearney plays similarly as a fullback to how Hernandez plays at flyhalf. Kearney is 09 was another victim of the Sky Sports Rugby Club hype machine. A good player but no superstar. Currently they can't get enough of Tom Croft, Dan Cole and Chris Ashton. Morris and Barnes will put you off any player!

 

[Charles]

Melhor you need to loosen up a bit aye...Are you an aspie? Don't you get humour, or irony?

 

[Gavin]

The fact is when Hernandez runs he looks good. He flows like a river in a very similar motion to James Hook. They glide across the grass.

 

[Logorrhea]

Your saying he CAN dance then yeah? What about Ice Skating? Can he skate?

 

[Gavin]

He probably can seeing as he has clear balance when he runs.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Melhor you need to loosen up a bit aye...Are you an aspie? Don't you get humour, or irony?

Concur with this sentiment.

Also the ***le was changed because this is an English speaking forum so we do kindly ask members to respect that and post in English. There is an international forum to discuss anything in an international language.

 

[Teh Mite]

Overrated flyhalves = Dan Parks, Stephen Jones, David Skrela, Matt Giteau, Stephen Donald, Johnny Sexton, and the biggest of them all - Morne Steyn.

Dan Parks - Nobody rates him. In an interesting tuen of events though, that still counts as being over-rated.
Stephen Jones - No, he's rated highly and rightly so
David Skrela - One of the best in the business. Recognised as so.
Matt Giteau - Everyone knows he's past his best now. At his peak however, he was vastly under-rated compared to his match winning ability.
Stephen Donald - Nobody understands why he's a black. Nobody rates him. Nobody would even be aware of him if Nick Evans had remained in New Zealand.
Johnny Sexton - Over-rated by the Irish maybe but vastly under-rated by the rest of the world.

Hernandez is a one trick pony. It's a pretty good trick, but straightforward enough to take out of a game.