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I am very excited for this one. It will be aired live on tv in Brazil. Que maravilha!

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The lasting memory for many people from Rugby World Cup 2007 are the two Pumas victories vs hosts France that changed the shape of the pool matches and underlined the importance of the Bronze Final. Argentina won the two matches despite experts predicting French victories. The fact is that France eliminated Argentina from Rugby World Cup 1999 with a quarter final victory but since this time Argentina have won seven of the nine matches played between the two countries. France's two victories were tight - in 2006 France won 27-26 in Paris and in 2008 France won a tryless match 12-6 in Marseilles. In comparison, France have played World Champions South Africa ten times during this period and have defeated the Springboks in six of these matches and drawn another. In other words, Argentina are a very difficult opponent for France - more difficult than South Africa.

Form

Both France and Argentina won last weekend. France defeated Fiji in Nantes in a game ruined by rain. The Europeans scored three tries without conceeding one to win by 22 points. The French forwards were content to keep ball in hand without trying to score as many tries as possible. Argentina, on the other hand defeated Italy in Verona and won 22-16 with captain Felipe Contepomi scoring 17 points. The match was tied 6-6 at half time in a forward dominated contest. Despite this, the best Puma was winger Gonzalo Camacho. The hosts came close to scoring a try to Argentine born captain - Sergio Parisse but came up short. Parisse, however, had a fantastic match and in a collission with his opposite number - Juan Martín Fernández Lobbe the Puma ended up leaving the field hurt. The South Americans were already without two of their first choice backrowers in Alejandro Campos and Juan Leguizamon. After the interval, secondrower, Manuel Carizza was badly hurt and broke his arm. The victory, should therefore be viewed as a tough but important one.
France have made 14 changes to their side for this match. All forwards are different and Damien Traille is the only back to keep his place in the starting XV. Clermont captain, Aurelien Rougerie will play 13 for the first time ever for his country and interestingly France will only have 2 starters from Toulouse rather than the norm of 6 or more. Bayonne speedster, Yoann Huget will make his debut for France.

Argentina, on the other hand have made one change with secondrower, Patricio Albacete returning. The bench, however, sees substantial changes. Coach Santiago Phelan retains 5 forwards and 2 backs but he has opted for Marcelo Bosch to wear the 22 shirt in what will be his first appearance fro Argentina since June 2008 following shoulder and knee reconstruction. In the forwards Juan Figallo falls out as Argentina look to have only one prop on the bench but have gone for two secondrowers in Esteban Lozada and the newcomer - Julio Farias Carbello.

Key Matchup
Without question this match will have a number of vastly important individual matchups. Overall, Argentina have a better front and secondrow but France have a superior backrow. In the backs, both teams will be without their flyhalf as Trinh-Duc and Juan Martín Hernández are both injured. In place of these two there will be an important clash in Damien Traille vs Felipe Contepomi who are two inside centres. Contepomi is the more creative and Argentina will look to him throughout the match. At the back, the battle of Alexis Pallison vs Martin Rodriguez Gurruchaga will be crucial as two probable stars at next years Rugby World Cup go head to head. On form the Puma is carrying an important advantage which could be very important to his side. Marc Andreu vs Gonzalo Camacho is sure to merit attention as the speedy Frenchman looms as a vital player for his country. Up front Nicolas Mas vs Rodrigo Roncero looms as being huge for determining the outcome of scrums and a lot around the field. Sebastian Chabal vs Juan Martín Fernández Lobbe will simply be massive. But the most important clash may well be between two players who are to retire after New Zealand 2011. William Servat vs Mario Ledesma are two of the worlds best hookers and two veterans. Both are excellent in defence and around the field. The player that comes out on top of this battle will contribute greatly to his teams chances of success.

Prediction

France is out for revenge after being embarrassed in losing 41-13 to Argentina in Buenos Aires in June. Argentina are looking to continue their progress this year and nothing other than a victory will be an acceptable result. Many French players selected are not the best players in the Top 14. It would appear that players such as Bonnaire, Chabal, Pallison and Traille have been selected on reputation rather than form. The South Americans, in contrast, have selected a group of players who are performing well in France and Europe in general and it is fair to suggest that although they will need to play very well to win, it is Argentina´s game to lose. Argentina to win by 7 points.

France

15 Alexis Pallison (Brive)
14 Yoann Huget (Bayonne)
13 Aurelien Rougerie (Clermont)
12 Yannick Jauzion (Toulouse)
11 Marc Andreu (Castres)
10 Damien Traille (Biarritz)
9 Morgan Parra (Clermont)
8 Sebastien Chabal (Racing Metro)
7 Julien Bonnaire (Clermont)
6 Thierry Dusautoir (Toulouse)
5 Julien Pierre (Clermont)
4 Lionel Nallet (Racing Metro)
3 Nicolas Mas (Perpignan)
2 William Servat (Toulouse)
1 Thomas Domingo (Clermont)

Reserves
16 Guilhem Guirado (Perpignan)
17 Luc Ducalcon (Castres)
18 Jerome Thion (Biarritz)
19 Imanol Harinordoquy (Biarritz)
20 Dimitri Yachvili (Biarritz)
21 Fabrice Estebanez (Brive)
22 Jerome Porical (Perpignan)

Argentina

15 Martín Rodriguez Gurruchaga (Stade Français, France)
14 Gonzalo Camacho (Harlequins, England)
13 Gonzalo Tiesi (Stade Français, France)
12 Santiago Fernández (Montpellier, France)
11 Lucas González Amorisino (Leicester, England)
10 Felipe Contepomi (Toulon, France)
9 Nicolas Vergallo (Toulouse, France)
8 Juan Martín Fernández Lobbe (Toulon, France)
7 Miguel de Achaval (Alumni)
6 Genaro Fessia (Córdoba)
5 Patricio Albacete, (Toulouse, France)
4 Mariano Galarza (Leinster, Ireland)
3 Martín Scelzo, (Clermont, France)
2 Mario Ledesma (Clermont, France)
1 Rodrigo Roncero (Stade Français, France)

Reserves
16 Agustin Creevy (Clermont, France)
17 Marcos Ayerza (Leicester, England)
18 Santiago Guzman (Tucuman)
19 Julio Farias Cabello (Tucuman)
20 Alvaro Galindo (Racing Metro, France)
21 Alfredo Galindo (London Irish, England)
22 Marcelo Bosch (Biarritz, France)

 
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What's happened to Benjamin Fall this season?
Also, nice to see Colin's brother getting a bench spot at hooker for the Argies....
 
This game was terrible!
One of the most boring games i've seen

France 15 - 9 Argentina
 
terrible, terrible game. horrible borefest. France was crap, Argentina was worse. It's not gonna be pretty against Oz next week. That's all for me now, going to bed (6.40 am here).
 
Yep Indeed

Good perf from the blue second row, Chabal and Nallet on recuperation balls. Rougerie was the only one to cross over Puma's defense. Poor decisions from Huget that could have cost a try without a solid defense all along the match.

Didn't understand Lievremont's decision to combine Parra with Traille and to change them by Yachvili associated with...Estebanez. To be reminded Yach and traille are both playing for Biarritz, and clearly have a similar game style. This is the 13th 9/10 combinaison under Lievremont's reign...should have been more interesting to see a Parra/Estebanez.
 
Didn't see the match, but I'm amazed France aren't building their midfield around Basteraud. Is his form really that bad?
 
Didn't see the match, but I'm amazed France aren't building their midfield around Basteraud. Is his form really that bad?

He is 128 kgs...He's a liability in defense, and easily readable in attack.
 
Back three by France were dissapointing. France have so many quality at back division, but no consistency. Morgan Parra is the best scrum-half in NH. Also, I liked Chabal at 8 and targeting Argentina defence. It is interesting, how many players Lievremont used in the past two years. I think only Parra, Jauzion, Dusatoir, Servat and Nallet are definitely starters. Maybe Trinc-Duc.
 
He is 128 kgs...He's a liability in defense, and easily readable in attack.

He is also seriously unfit to the point where he was almost dropped unless he started a drastic fitness program. He was being subbed after the 50th minute in many games at one point because he was running out of puff that quickly.
 
He is 128 kgs...He's a liability in defense, and easily readable in attack.

He is also seriously unfit to the point where he was almost dropped unless he started a drastic fitness program. He was being subbed after the 50th minute in many games at one point because he was running out of puff that quickly.

The two are actually related. His replacement in attack and especially in defense is appalling, as is his lateral deplacement. He got done on the outside like a prop when Paris played Clermont...Apparently Lievremont asked him to get fit and widen his game and he didn't.
 
He is 128 kgs...He's a liability in defense, and easily readable in attack.

Not to forget that this sector is also maybe the more competitive one, Jauzion is the #1, with an incomparable ability to play on his feet, and Rougerie is talentuous here too. Traille and Skrela are on top on these positions, and their choice as spares are also motivated by their ability to move as fly halves after Trinh-Duc.

Less crucial but to be considered, Rougerie can also move on the wing.
 
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