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<blockquote data-quote="William18" data-source="post: 464040" data-attributes="member: 38439">I don&#039;t blame people for not knowing or understanding the lyrics but it is at best presumptuous to assume that a haka depicts violence when it doesn&#039;t. I mean &quot;It&#039;s my time! It&#039;s my moment!&quot; sounds like a quote from Eminem&#039;s Lose Yourself not from a war dance. What France did is certainly not disrespectful. Besides, if you do something disrespectful you are just being disrespectful. You can&#039;t find someone for being rude, ignorant or disrespectful IMO. I still think that there should be rules around it though, a team should not be able to do what they want. Maybe the current rules aren&#039;t correct. For instance perhaps either team should be able to advance up to halfway? I don&#039;t know. Besides, to not fine France would be unfair and inconsistent. The Wallaroos were fined for advancing on the haka last year. If the IRB lets France off aren&#039;t they just bowing to public pressure? They can&#039;t fine France because they are a men&#039;s team and because the spotlight was on the match but can fine a women&#039;s team with no outcry? Personally, I liked the team (was it Australia?) who once chose to ignore the haka by doing rugby drills. That was a fantastic response. I think that might have been Campese in 91? Only 16.3% of New Zealanders believe that France should be fined: <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/lightbox/sport/rugby/5845240?KeepThis=true&amp;TB_iframe=true&amp;height=500&amp;width=680" target="_blank">http://www.stuff.co.nz/lightbox/sport/rugby/5845240?KeepThis=true&amp;TB_iframe=true&amp;height=500&amp;width=680</a></blockquote>

[QUOTE="William18, post: 464040, member: 38439"] I don't blame people for not knowing or understanding the lyrics but it is at best presumptuous to assume that a haka depicts violence when it doesn't. I mean "It’s my time! It’s my moment!" sounds like a quote from Eminem's [I]Lose Yourself[/I] not from a war dance. What France did is certainly not disrespectful. Besides, if you do something disrespectful you are just being disrespectful. You can't find someone for being rude, ignorant or disrespectful IMO. I still think that there should be rules around it though, a team should not be able to do what they want. Maybe the current rules aren't correct. For instance perhaps either team should be able to advance up to halfway? I don't know. Besides, to not fine France would be unfair and inconsistent. The Wallaroos were fined for advancing on the haka last year. If the IRB lets France off aren't they just bowing to public pressure? They can't fine France because they are a men's team and because the spotlight was on the match but can fine a women's team with no outcry? Personally, I liked the team (was it Australia?) who once chose to ignore the haka by doing rugby drills. That was a fantastic response. I think that might have been Campese in 91? Only 16.3% of New Zealanders believe that France should be fined: [URL]http://www.stuff.co.nz/lightbox/sport/rugby/5845240?KeepThis=true&TB_iframe=true&height=500&width=680[/URL] [/QUOTE]

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