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<blockquote data-quote="Leinster Fan" data-source="post: 961377" data-attributes="member: 76349"><p>Like a fair few others this is something that really interests me, I think the whole thing is fascinating. </p><p></p><p>As for the difference between the spellings, the sheer level of difference between Irish and English can't be underestimated. The two languages are entirely different in almost every way right down to basic sentence structure, the gap between English and Irish compared to the equivalent difference between English and say French/German is massive. Irish has a bunch of things that are more or less entirely alien to English or any similar language. The English (or Latin or whatever I'm not sure tbh) alphabet isn't really suited to Irish which is why the spelling system seems so alien to non-speakers (as in about 99.9999% of the world's population) although there is actually a certain logic to it once you do understand it. It's an absolute mindfuck to anyone learning the language though. </p><p></p><p>Alpha has covered it pretty well, the issue for Irish is that although it is actually one of the oldest written languages out there it's most of the writings are lost (although I'd imagine that understanding most of it would be incredibly hard, it's hard enough to read Shakespeare, just think about going back even further in a language that almost nobody learnt as a first language). As I said, although there is probably more of a logic to Irish spelling than English (which genuinely makes no sense) it is genuinely a just totally different spelling system, Irish doesn't even use a fair few of the letters (j,k,q,w,x,y,z) because those sounds either don't exist or are better covered by combinations of other letters for grammatical reasons that I'll try to explain if anyone is interested but to be honest it's super complicated and really weird. Most single letters on their own make the same sound as in English (with a few exceptions, especially a, which is like the o in pot, and o, which is like the u in put) combinations of letters have basically no relation to their English equivalents, although as I said they tend to be fairly inconsistent in English itself. </p><p></p><p>As I said earlier, Irish has pretty much an entirely grammatical system to English, and at times is overcomplicated, I love it and I love being able to speak it but at times it does seem like it was made up purely to be as hard to learn as possible. </p><p></p><p>Pretty much spot on, although it's just the </p><p>-ch that forms the sound, it can also come at the start or in the middle of a word. </p><p></p><p>What I do think is very interesting is that despite the massive differences between the two languages there is not of similar vocab, especially nowadays where a decent amount of words that Irish, being a language last widely spoken over 100 years, doesn't have are generally lifted from English with a token effort to translate them, although in previous centuries there was some traffic the other way as well.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And finally, here's a not entirely unrelated sketch on the subject</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]ydSNgr97gSY[/MEDIA]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Leinster Fan, post: 961377, member: 76349"] Like a fair few others this is something that really interests me, I think the whole thing is fascinating. As for the difference between the spellings, the sheer level of difference between Irish and English can't be underestimated. The two languages are entirely different in almost every way right down to basic sentence structure, the gap between English and Irish compared to the equivalent difference between English and say French/German is massive. Irish has a bunch of things that are more or less entirely alien to English or any similar language. The English (or Latin or whatever I'm not sure tbh) alphabet isn't really suited to Irish which is why the spelling system seems so alien to non-speakers (as in about 99.9999% of the world's population) although there is actually a certain logic to it once you do understand it. It's an absolute mindfuck to anyone learning the language though. Alpha has covered it pretty well, the issue for Irish is that although it is actually one of the oldest written languages out there it's most of the writings are lost (although I'd imagine that understanding most of it would be incredibly hard, it's hard enough to read Shakespeare, just think about going back even further in a language that almost nobody learnt as a first language). As I said, although there is probably more of a logic to Irish spelling than English (which genuinely makes no sense) it is genuinely a just totally different spelling system, Irish doesn't even use a fair few of the letters (j,k,q,w,x,y,z) because those sounds either don't exist or are better covered by combinations of other letters for grammatical reasons that I'll try to explain if anyone is interested but to be honest it's super complicated and really weird. Most single letters on their own make the same sound as in English (with a few exceptions, especially a, which is like the o in pot, and o, which is like the u in put) combinations of letters have basically no relation to their English equivalents, although as I said they tend to be fairly inconsistent in English itself. As I said earlier, Irish has pretty much an entirely grammatical system to English, and at times is overcomplicated, I love it and I love being able to speak it but at times it does seem like it was made up purely to be as hard to learn as possible. Pretty much spot on, although it's just the -ch that forms the sound, it can also come at the start or in the middle of a word. What I do think is very interesting is that despite the massive differences between the two languages there is not of similar vocab, especially nowadays where a decent amount of words that Irish, being a language last widely spoken over 100 years, doesn't have are generally lifted from English with a token effort to translate them, although in previous centuries there was some traffic the other way as well. And finally, here's a not entirely unrelated sketch on the subject [MEDIA=youtube]ydSNgr97gSY[/MEDIA] [/QUOTE]
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