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<blockquote data-quote="Cruz_del_Sur" data-source="post: 1192179" data-attributes="member: 55747"><p>Well, not necessarily, and not always. It is whataboutism (formally a tu quoque fallacy) if you are talking about A and switch the subject to B in order to avoid giving a straight answer about A. If the subject is comparing A to B then it is most certainly NOT whataboutism. Just as i conceded there is a part of whataboutism i expect you to concede that not everything there is whataboutism and some of the points have merit. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Could you understand that, from our point of view, it sounds a bit too bloody convenient that no one here says anything about two very high profile people saying EXACTLY the same but when we say it it suddenly becomes faux pas and everyone starts name calling when we do it? It really, really looks as if the outcry depended not on what was said but on the race, ethnicity, etc of the one saying those things, which would make it racist (etc) by definition. Do you see our point? </p><p></p><p>Let me ask you another thing. We are basically being accused of being racist because of the lyrics of a song. That is fundamentally the argument. The question will sound silly but humour me: how is our song more racist than say, the marseillaise. Do not disregard it, please. And be specific. I want to see, exactly, why you find the lyrics of our song racist, but you say nothing about France's national anthem. </p><p></p><p>Here's what i see, and please, just as you ask for empathy, have some: </p><p></p><p>Trevor Noah say the exact same thing: not a word</p><p>President of Kenya says the exact same thing: no reaction</p><p>ESPN's twitter account says literally the same. Nothing</p><p>The French sing their anthem ten zillion times a year claiming what they'd do to those of impure blood. Nothing again. </p><p></p><p>So my question to you is: how on earth can you be so blind to everything around you and yet have such a specific knowledge of a football chant Argentines happen to sing? </p><p></p><p>Let me use another example: This is a rugby forum. Argentines sing a 'controversial' footie song: hundreds of posts. Two french rugby players get acussed of rape in their last tour to Arg, a couple of weeks ago: zero posts. ZE-RO. </p><p>So apparently offensive footie songs are more newsworthy than (potential/alleged) rape. </p><p>Let me guess: you weren't aware of that either. That's shocking. </p><p>Do you see the trend now? </p><p></p><p>I don't know, this is not my specific area of expertise, but it looks like i am either in front of one of the biggest cases of selective blindness in history of mankind or there might be quite a bit of bias here. </p><p></p><p>And for the love of god, please, do NOT take this as an appeal to pity. Hit us with everything you've got. We encourage it, we love it. We wont cry foul. </p><p>We will try to 'hit' back tho.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cruz_del_Sur, post: 1192179, member: 55747"] Well, not necessarily, and not always. It is whataboutism (formally a tu quoque fallacy) if you are talking about A and switch the subject to B in order to avoid giving a straight answer about A. If the subject is comparing A to B then it is most certainly NOT whataboutism. Just as i conceded there is a part of whataboutism i expect you to concede that not everything there is whataboutism and some of the points have merit. Could you understand that, from our point of view, it sounds a bit too bloody convenient that no one here says anything about two very high profile people saying EXACTLY the same but when we say it it suddenly becomes faux pas and everyone starts name calling when we do it? It really, really looks as if the outcry depended not on what was said but on the race, ethnicity, etc of the one saying those things, which would make it racist (etc) by definition. Do you see our point? Let me ask you another thing. We are basically being accused of being racist because of the lyrics of a song. That is fundamentally the argument. The question will sound silly but humour me: how is our song more racist than say, the marseillaise. Do not disregard it, please. And be specific. I want to see, exactly, why you find the lyrics of our song racist, but you say nothing about France's national anthem. Here's what i see, and please, just as you ask for empathy, have some: Trevor Noah say the exact same thing: not a word President of Kenya says the exact same thing: no reaction ESPN's twitter account says literally the same. Nothing The French sing their anthem ten zillion times a year claiming what they'd do to those of impure blood. Nothing again. So my question to you is: how on earth can you be so blind to everything around you and yet have such a specific knowledge of a football chant Argentines happen to sing? Let me use another example: This is a rugby forum. Argentines sing a 'controversial' footie song: hundreds of posts. Two french rugby players get acussed of rape in their last tour to Arg, a couple of weeks ago: zero posts. ZE-RO. So apparently offensive footie songs are more newsworthy than (potential/alleged) rape. Let me guess: you weren't aware of that either. That's shocking. Do you see the trend now? I don't know, this is not my specific area of expertise, but it looks like i am either in front of one of the biggest cases of selective blindness in history of mankind or there might be quite a bit of bias here. And for the love of god, please, do NOT take this as an appeal to pity. Hit us with everything you've got. We encourage it, we love it. We wont cry foul. We will try to 'hit' back tho. [/QUOTE]
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