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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Leonormous Boozer" data-source="post: 1011580" data-attributes="member: 45598">His first two seasons were pretty desperate sure but since the introduction of penalty points in 2014 Vettel, Verstappen, Kyvat and Magnusson all have more points. Verstappen and Kyvat have raced a season less too. I think right now the closest driver to being genuine safety threat on the grid is Stroll*, but he had a strong season in that regard prior to yesterday. Grosjean's more recent mistakes have been weird rather than dangerous, crashing behind the safety car and incidents like that and his lapses in concentration definitely stopped him ever getting a strong drive which he was quick enough for at times. *11 points over three seasons v Grosjean's 21 in six</blockquote>