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<blockquote data-quote="RedRoseDave" data-source="post: 413251" data-attributes="member: 52675">I think we have a great 45 there and will have an even better 30 once the weaker players are chipped away.Being an English man and a follower of rugby since the early 1990&#039;s Im saddened at how our international team looks more like a club team then an international team.We have 13 players that grew up dreaming of playing rugby for their home countrys and then due to not being good enough or migration then end up in England and then all of a sudden it was their dream as young boys to play for England??? Give me a break.Although these guys are good, they will never risk their neck for their team as its just a job to them. No matter what they say its not their country or homeland so they dont have that pride for England like Johnny had or Johnson had. They will do enough to keep their place and get paid.All the while we have amazing talent coming through (look at our u20s) and yet only a small percentage will make the international squad because there is no room for them to develop as players as all the spots are taken by guys who flew in 3 years ago and are now eligable to play. Its killing English rugby! This is the reason we dont play with the passion like we did in 2003 and before!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="RedRoseDave, post: 413251, member: 52675"] I think we have a great 45 there and will have an even better 30 once the weaker players are chipped away. Being an English man and a follower of rugby since the early 1990's Im saddened at how our international team looks more like a club team then an international team. We have 13 players that grew up dreaming of playing rugby for their home countrys and then due to not being good enough or migration then end up in England and then all of a sudden it was their dream as young boys to play for England??? Give me a break. Although these guys are good, they will never risk their neck for their team as its just a job to them. No matter what they say its not their country or homeland so they dont have that pride for England like Johnny had or Johnson had. They will do enough to keep their place and get paid. All the while we have amazing talent coming through (look at our u20s) and yet only a small percentage will make the international squad because there is no room for them to develop as players as all the spots are taken by guys who flew in 3 years ago and are now eligable to play. Its killing English rugby! This is the reason we dont play with the passion like we did in 2003 and before! [/QUOTE]

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