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<blockquote data-quote="LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)" data-source="post: 1136024" data-attributes="member: 70842">My counter to that I guess&nbsp;I feel that the media drove Eddie to be more crass and distasteful. A lot of the bitterness generally was aimed towards journalism. Just need to look at the British media reaction to him currently to see how sour both sides got. Borthwick will IMO crumble if the Media ever turn on him because in reality &nbsp;&nbsp;Martin Johnson is IMO a poor example, he couldn&#039;t have gone on really and his coaching career was over before it began. &nbsp;Wenger will always be hard to judge in his final years for me, Arsenal didn&#039;t spend the money to compete with Chelsea, United and City. Still won the FA in 2017 and the last trophy Arsenal has won. &nbsp;IDK with England Eddie&nbsp;Has the largest unbroken win streak &nbsp;Took us to the RWC final&nbsp;Won our first grand slam in 13 years &nbsp;and won the 2020 6N&#039;s &nbsp;I agree that coaches have shelf lives, but I think it&#039;s more indivuals team ones rather than in general. Not many coaches stay at their peak with one team more than 4 years not unless they have a initial advantage</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan), post: 1136024, member: 70842"] My counter to that I guess I feel that the media drove Eddie to be more crass and distasteful. A lot of the bitterness generally was aimed towards journalism. Just need to look at the British media reaction to him currently to see how sour both sides got. Borthwick will IMO crumble if the Media ever turn on him because in reality Martin Johnson is IMO a poor example, he couldn't have gone on really and his coaching career was over before it began. Wenger will always be hard to judge in his final years for me, Arsenal didn't spend the money to compete with Chelsea, United and City. Still won the FA in 2017 and the last trophy Arsenal has won. IDK with England Eddie Has the largest unbroken win streak Took us to the RWC final Won our first grand slam in 13 years and won the 2020 6N's I agree that coaches have shelf lives, but I think it's more indivuals team ones rather than in general. Not many coaches stay at their peak with one team more than 4 years not unless they have a initial advantage [/QUOTE]

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