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So I have voiced my dislike for Eddie Jones quite a few times on the forum, but i read a story in the news today that made me think i should make a thread for it, as there should be quite a few differing opinions on this story...
First up, i hate Eddie Jones for a lot of reasons.. The most obvious is that he took us from a full trophy cabinet to an empty one.. When he became coach we owned every trophy we could get, then over the course of 4 years we lost every single one till our cabinet was empty.
Most of his major victories came in the first part of his Wallaby career, and IMO i think that he was lucky to inherit the dynasty of Rod Mcqueen... It happened to him at the Brumbies, and then he graduated to Wallabies riding the coat-tails of a truly great coach. But over the years he deteriorated the quality of coaching, and broke down the juggernaut that the Wallabies were at that time. His style was to pick players on individual stats.. He had so many computer recording every stat, and picked players based on that rather than how well they fit with the team and played together.. I thought this style shone through in the way that the players played and they appeared to play for themselves for quite a few years, as if they were playing for their position every week, never mind the result or how someone else goes.. I thought the team looked very fractured, and the style of play that the Wallabies developed was not great.
Besides that, all his ridiculous sideshows with John Mitchell, and especially Clive Woodward were ridiculous and distracting to the team.
And as much as i hate to say it, George was not playing his best rugby for a few of those years, but Jones's method of sticking with him while Whitaker was clearly the best halfback in the country was quite damaging also...
Some will talk about RWC03 semi being a stroke of genius, but really, in hindsight, any good coach with that much exposure to the style of rugby the ABs were playing at that time should have had a good plan to beat them, especially with the players that we had..
Since his sacking, his ridiculous fueds with John Connolly, John O'Neill, and players at the Reds have been nothing but distracting to Australian Rugby, and he had become a deadset timebomb waiting to do something real DUMB... and now he has done it...
so heres the story that set me off:
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FORMER Wallabies coach Eddie Jones was embroiled in bitter verbal warfare with ARU chief John O'Neill last night after flying to South Africa to assist the Springboks' World Cup campaign.
Jones has joined the South Africans in camp for a week, at the invitation of one-time arch-rival Jake White, and was decked out in a Springboks tracksuit at his first session on Monday.
O'Neill suggested Jones' approach was mercenary - especially with the Wallabies potentially meeting the Boks in the World Cup quarter-final - but also said the controversial recruitment could backfire on the South Africans.
"It's not something you would expect of a former Australian coach," O'Neill said.
"He would argue, 'I'm a professional coach'.
"I would just put a caveat in there that you've got to be a bit more discerning.
"In a sense it tells you the game has changed and coaches will take on jobs driven by other motives other than loyalty and patriotism.
"This is a quite definitive eyes-wide-open move by Eddie to go and advise the Springboks, amongst other things, on how to beat the Wallabies."
O'Neill also took aim at the man sacked as Wallabies coach after a disastrous tour to Europe in November 2005 by claiming he might not necessarily be of any use to the Boks.
"I don't think it should in any way alarm the Wallabies," O'Neill said, before adding cryptically: "It might be helpful.
"I'm not sure whether Eddie's going to be able to offer any particularly useful insights and the combination of Jake White and Eddie Jones is certainly interesting - Sideshow Bob (White) and the Beaver (Jones).
"I found it a bit amusing to tell the truth."
Jones hit back from South Africa last night, telling The Daily Telegraph: "John is entitled to his opinion but it's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
"He went from being the CEO of Australian rugby to being the CEO of Australian soccer, which is a direct competitor. That was OK in his eyes."
Asked by if his consultancy to the Boks could be extended to include a position on the South African coaching staff at the World Cup, Jones refused to rule out the possibility.
"I've been friends with Jake White for quite a while," he said.
"I'm just en route to the UK (to take up a job at English club Saracens) and called in to give him some ideas."
Jones bristled at suggestions he would pass on sensitive information about the Wallabies.
"It's a long time since I've coached Australia," he argued.
"I've moved on. I don't have any insights into the Wallabies. I haven't been involved with them since November 2005.
"The game we played then is different to the game they play now."
O'Neill countered that Jones was in the Australian set-up as coach of the Queensland Reds until just two months ago.
"If this had occurred in a couple of years time you might have said he's been out of Australian rugby for a fair while and so be it.
"But I think the proximity is too close. It does make me wonder whether he thought it through clearly enough. It'a very curious decision.
"The argument would be that it's now a professional game, you go to the highest bidder and a job is a job.
"I think that's a pretty clinical and rather sad reflection of where the game may have ended up."
Jones said he would not apologise for pursuing his career even if it did take him offshore.
"While you'll always have the softest part of your heart for the country where you were brought up, the fact is you move on if you have opportunities to coach in other countries," he said.
"Otherwise what do I do? Go back to being a school teacher?
"Someone said to me have I done this sort of thing before. Well, I have coached Japan and helped Tonga, Samoa and Fiji.
"If you look at soccer, Guus Hiddink coached Korea before the Socceroos. He also coached the Netherlands and he's now coaching Russia.
"That's four nations at the top level and I think rugby is moving that way. The reality is I'm a professional coach."
Current Wallabies coach John Connolly refused to comment on the Jones issue: "I'm saying nothing at all."
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/stor...5006067,00.html
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Eddie Jones is a douche... I can understand the whole argument about being a professional coach and all that, but there is a certain level of professionalism that comes into it too, and Eddie Jones firstly does not possess that, as shown by his ridiculous abovementioned fueds, and the timing of the whole thing just smacks of sour grapes... The motives behind his move are clear, and i just think its ridiculous...
First up, i hate Eddie Jones for a lot of reasons.. The most obvious is that he took us from a full trophy cabinet to an empty one.. When he became coach we owned every trophy we could get, then over the course of 4 years we lost every single one till our cabinet was empty.
Most of his major victories came in the first part of his Wallaby career, and IMO i think that he was lucky to inherit the dynasty of Rod Mcqueen... It happened to him at the Brumbies, and then he graduated to Wallabies riding the coat-tails of a truly great coach. But over the years he deteriorated the quality of coaching, and broke down the juggernaut that the Wallabies were at that time. His style was to pick players on individual stats.. He had so many computer recording every stat, and picked players based on that rather than how well they fit with the team and played together.. I thought this style shone through in the way that the players played and they appeared to play for themselves for quite a few years, as if they were playing for their position every week, never mind the result or how someone else goes.. I thought the team looked very fractured, and the style of play that the Wallabies developed was not great.
Besides that, all his ridiculous sideshows with John Mitchell, and especially Clive Woodward were ridiculous and distracting to the team.
And as much as i hate to say it, George was not playing his best rugby for a few of those years, but Jones's method of sticking with him while Whitaker was clearly the best halfback in the country was quite damaging also...
Some will talk about RWC03 semi being a stroke of genius, but really, in hindsight, any good coach with that much exposure to the style of rugby the ABs were playing at that time should have had a good plan to beat them, especially with the players that we had..
Since his sacking, his ridiculous fueds with John Connolly, John O'Neill, and players at the Reds have been nothing but distracting to Australian Rugby, and he had become a deadset timebomb waiting to do something real DUMB... and now he has done it...
so heres the story that set me off:
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FORMER Wallabies coach Eddie Jones was embroiled in bitter verbal warfare with ARU chief John O'Neill last night after flying to South Africa to assist the Springboks' World Cup campaign.
Jones has joined the South Africans in camp for a week, at the invitation of one-time arch-rival Jake White, and was decked out in a Springboks tracksuit at his first session on Monday.
O'Neill suggested Jones' approach was mercenary - especially with the Wallabies potentially meeting the Boks in the World Cup quarter-final - but also said the controversial recruitment could backfire on the South Africans.
"It's not something you would expect of a former Australian coach," O'Neill said.
"He would argue, 'I'm a professional coach'.
"I would just put a caveat in there that you've got to be a bit more discerning.
"In a sense it tells you the game has changed and coaches will take on jobs driven by other motives other than loyalty and patriotism.
"This is a quite definitive eyes-wide-open move by Eddie to go and advise the Springboks, amongst other things, on how to beat the Wallabies."
O'Neill also took aim at the man sacked as Wallabies coach after a disastrous tour to Europe in November 2005 by claiming he might not necessarily be of any use to the Boks.
"I don't think it should in any way alarm the Wallabies," O'Neill said, before adding cryptically: "It might be helpful.
"I'm not sure whether Eddie's going to be able to offer any particularly useful insights and the combination of Jake White and Eddie Jones is certainly interesting - Sideshow Bob (White) and the Beaver (Jones).
"I found it a bit amusing to tell the truth."
Jones hit back from South Africa last night, telling The Daily Telegraph: "John is entitled to his opinion but it's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
"He went from being the CEO of Australian rugby to being the CEO of Australian soccer, which is a direct competitor. That was OK in his eyes."
Asked by if his consultancy to the Boks could be extended to include a position on the South African coaching staff at the World Cup, Jones refused to rule out the possibility.
"I've been friends with Jake White for quite a while," he said.
"I'm just en route to the UK (to take up a job at English club Saracens) and called in to give him some ideas."
Jones bristled at suggestions he would pass on sensitive information about the Wallabies.
"It's a long time since I've coached Australia," he argued.
"I've moved on. I don't have any insights into the Wallabies. I haven't been involved with them since November 2005.
"The game we played then is different to the game they play now."
O'Neill countered that Jones was in the Australian set-up as coach of the Queensland Reds until just two months ago.
"If this had occurred in a couple of years time you might have said he's been out of Australian rugby for a fair while and so be it.
"But I think the proximity is too close. It does make me wonder whether he thought it through clearly enough. It'a very curious decision.
"The argument would be that it's now a professional game, you go to the highest bidder and a job is a job.
"I think that's a pretty clinical and rather sad reflection of where the game may have ended up."
Jones said he would not apologise for pursuing his career even if it did take him offshore.
"While you'll always have the softest part of your heart for the country where you were brought up, the fact is you move on if you have opportunities to coach in other countries," he said.
"Otherwise what do I do? Go back to being a school teacher?
"Someone said to me have I done this sort of thing before. Well, I have coached Japan and helped Tonga, Samoa and Fiji.
"If you look at soccer, Guus Hiddink coached Korea before the Socceroos. He also coached the Netherlands and he's now coaching Russia.
"That's four nations at the top level and I think rugby is moving that way. The reality is I'm a professional coach."
Current Wallabies coach John Connolly refused to comment on the Jones issue: "I'm saying nothing at all."
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/stor...5006067,00.html
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Eddie Jones is a douche... I can understand the whole argument about being a professional coach and all that, but there is a certain level of professionalism that comes into it too, and Eddie Jones firstly does not possess that, as shown by his ridiculous abovementioned fueds, and the timing of the whole thing just smacks of sour grapes... The motives behind his move are clear, and i just think its ridiculous...
