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<blockquote data-quote="smartcooky" data-source="post: 866498" data-attributes="member: 20605"><p>It did come off a Scottish player, but it was like pinball. It bounced off Blue 7's head into the right shoulder of Blue 20, then into Gold 21's chest, glanced off Blue 20's shoulder again, and immediately brushed Gold 21's left forearm, and that last touch put all the Scottish players onside. I thought CJ was unfairly pilloried over this. He could not have seen the last touch by Phipps and didn't have the benefit of TMO oversight.</p><p></p><p>However, this incident is not at all like the Lions one, because here we have a touch of the ball that put all the opponents onside, and which went undetected by the referee. In the Lions match, there was no such touch; the ball came forward off Williams' hand and was <u>caught</u> by Owens while retiring and in an offside position. If the ball had simply hit him then I would agree that it was accidental, but that isn't what happened.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.dropbox.com/s/ceib930gy63aim0/OwensCatch.gif?dl=1" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>Owens looked, saw the ball coming, and had enough time to bring his arms up from his sides, reach out and catch the ball.... That has always been a penalty kick until now. Poite bottled it, muddied the waters and has made a rod for all referee's backs. If this precedent stands then a loophole in the Laws will have been created, and frankly I have no doubt whatsoever that elite players and coaches will exploit it ruthlessly. Coaches will tell their players to make sure they get a hand on the ball in these situations and to claim innocence.</p><p></p><p>And players? <em>"Sorry ref, it was just an instinctive reaction, I didn't mean to catch the ball"</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="smartcooky, post: 866498, member: 20605"] It did come off a Scottish player, but it was like pinball. It bounced off Blue 7's head into the right shoulder of Blue 20, then into Gold 21's chest, glanced off Blue 20's shoulder again, and immediately brushed Gold 21's left forearm, and that last touch put all the Scottish players onside. I thought CJ was unfairly pilloried over this. He could not have seen the last touch by Phipps and didn't have the benefit of TMO oversight. However, this incident is not at all like the Lions one, because here we have a touch of the ball that put all the opponents onside, and which went undetected by the referee. In the Lions match, there was no such touch; the ball came forward off Williams' hand and was [U]caught[/U] by Owens while retiring and in an offside position. If the ball had simply hit him then I would agree that it was accidental, but that isn't what happened. [IMG]https://www.dropbox.com/s/ceib930gy63aim0/OwensCatch.gif?dl=1[/IMG] Owens looked, saw the ball coming, and had enough time to bring his arms up from his sides, reach out and catch the ball.... That has always been a penalty kick until now. Poite bottled it, muddied the waters and has made a rod for all referee's backs. If this precedent stands then a loophole in the Laws will have been created, and frankly I have no doubt whatsoever that elite players and coaches will exploit it ruthlessly. Coaches will tell their players to make sure they get a hand on the ball in these situations and to claim innocence. And players? [I]"Sorry ref, it was just an instinctive reaction, I didn't mean to catch the ball"[/I] [/QUOTE]
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