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Assisted suicide

I don't get the question.

Is it about state assisted murder?

Or is it about the state not prosecuting murder?
 
I'm all for the legalisation of euthanasia; as long as the consent of the dying is acquired, I see nothing wrong with it.

I don't see why this should become a legal issue anyway. Somebody wants to end their life rather than suffering 'til their final breaths. They ASK to be killed; why deny them that?
 
I have no problem with it as long as the persons that wants to die is given the technical means to commit suicide without people interfering.
 
The way I see it is, it's my body. I can put what I want in or on it and I should also be allowed to say when I've had enough.
 
I believe it's their choice and should be allowed, I have personally decided that once I can't lift Groceries from old age I'm going skydiving, and I'll take my parachute off.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shtove @ Jul 31 2009, 02:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I don't get the question.

Is it about state assisted murder?

Or is it about the state not prosecuting murder?[/b]
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No, its about the case of a woman with multiple sclerosis who was seeking clarification over whether her husband would be prosecuted for "assisting her suicide". He would not be arrested for murder but under the 1961 Suicide act which prohibits aiding people in their bid for suicide.

The specific issue is whether her husband would be nicked for the simple act of sitting with her through the process at the Swiss suicide clinic, Dignitas. The Director of Public Prosecutions would not comment on if that would count as an offence and instead referred her to what is laid down in the act. She took her case to the High Court who agreed with the DPP which prompted her to take her case to the Law Lords who earlier this week advised the DPP to revise their advice to include "offence-specific policy."

The whole case therefore is about whether her husband is or is not assisting her by simply being at her bedside at the clinic.

EDIT: I personally don't have an opinion on it. However, Scottish Rugby has been trying to commit suicide for the past 20 years now so I guess it would be humane to assist it down to Switzerland for the final acts..
 
surely it's outside the remit of the DPP as to what happens within another legal jurisdiction.
 
Thats the problem, we don't know because nobody at the DPP will tell them.

The danger is with all of these "known unknowns", for example, aiding her onto the plane at Heathrow or even getting her to Heathrow by car or taxi could be seen as "aiding in a persons suicide" because you are helping her get to the venue of her death.
 
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Thats the problem, we don't know because nobody at the DPP will tell them.

The danger is with all of these "known unknowns", for example, aiding her onto the plane at Heathrow or even getting her to Heathrow by car or taxi could be seen as "aiding in a persons suicide" because you are helping her get to the venue of her death.[/b]
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that just sounds like they'd be opening up a huge can of worms if they were to go down that track.
 
If that were the case then its Parliament's fault for passing the law in the first place and the DPPs' fault for not issuing proper guidance over whether travelling with someone who wishes to commit suicide at her destination (i.e. Switzerland) is guilty of a crime. In that I'd say no because other than being in her personal space he hasn't actually done anything apart from maybe hold her hand while her life slips away? I dunno, seems pretty silly and petty of the government to drag its heels on this I guess..
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sir. Speedy @ Jul 31 2009, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I'm all for the legalisation of euthanasia; as long as the consent of the dying is acquired, I see nothing wrong with it.

I don't see why this should become a legal issue anyway. Somebody wants to end their life rather than suffering 'til their final breaths. They ASK to be killed; why deny them that?[/b]
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agreed
 
I'm against it. It's not that I don't have sympathy, but I'm against it for the same reasons I'm against execution. No person should be the bringer of death on purpose. Planned execution whether at the will of the state or the will of the individual does not rest easy with my Judeo-Christian ethics. Having said all of this, I've never been in their shoes, so I can't say that if I was in some dire situation that it wouldn't seem like a good idea. Suffering is the lot of humanity in our present state. I'll stay away from the obvious religious conversation that I'm on the doorstep of beginning, but it's our fate to die.
 
We have another term called Euthanasia which is not very outstanding from this thread's main topic

Euthanasia a physician assisted suicide which was legalized to some forms in

Belgium, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Switzerland, Thailand, U.S. States- Oregon and washington

So I think this way of terminating life which is not more than suffering from fatal disorder is getting more popular among different societies
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (O'Rothlain @ Aug 2 2009, 04:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I'm against it. It's not that I don't have sympathy, but I'm against it for the same reasons I'm against execution. No person should be the bringer of death on purpose. Planned execution whether at the will of the state or the will of the individual does not rest easy with my Judeo-Christian ethics. Having said all of this, I've never been in their shoes, so I can't say that if I was in some dire situation that it wouldn't seem like a good idea. Suffering is the lot of humanity in our present state. I'll stay away from the obvious religious conversation that I'm on the doorstep of beginning, but it's our fate to die.[/b]
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Yes, that's the problem: how can you block off the choice if you haven't been faced with the dilemma in real life?

The first question is, should suicide be a crime? I think so, and therefore assisting suicide is also a crime. But that's based on my common sense and day-to-day prejudice.

I agree with religious views on this: dignity of life, suffering is a necessary trial. But when the suffering hits home, that's hard to take.

One thing is very clear - the state should have no part in helping the helpers. But you know the tax gobblers are itching to get involved.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shtove @ Aug 2 2009, 04:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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I'm against it. It's not that I don't have sympathy, but I'm against it for the same reasons I'm against execution. No person should be the bringer of death on purpose. Planned execution whether at the will of the state or the will of the individual does not rest easy with my Judeo-Christian ethics. Having said all of this, I've never been in their shoes, so I can't say that if I was in some dire situation that it wouldn't seem like a good idea. Suffering is the lot of humanity in our present state. I'll stay away from the obvious religious conversation that I'm on the doorstep of beginning, but it's our fate to die.[/b]
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Yes, that's the problem: how can you block off the choice if you haven't been faced with the dilemma in real life?

The first question is, should suicide be a crime? I think so, and therefore assisting suicide is also a crime. But that's based on my common sense and day-to-day prejudice.

I agree with religious views on this: dignity of life, suffering is a necessary trial. But when the suffering hits home, that's hard to take.

One thing is very clear - the state should have no part in helping the helpers. But you know the tax gobblers are itching to get involved.
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If suicide is crime so how to judge the "killers"? Kidding :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I think person has right to terminate suffers and deadly pain when disease can not be treated

I am Intensive Care and Anesthesia Resident and what I have seen among the patients was more than a Horror

These people almost were begging for assisted suicide (euthanasia) we have no laws according this way of terminating life and no one could help them

People suffer mostly from cancer
 
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I'm against it. It's not that I don't have sympathy, but I'm against it for the same reasons I'm against execution. No person should be the bringer of death on purpose. Planned execution whether at the will of the state or the will of the individual does not rest easy with my Judeo-Christian ethics. Having said all of this, I've never been in their shoes, so I can't say that if I was in some dire situation that it wouldn't seem like a good idea. Suffering is the lot of humanity in our present state. I'll stay away from the obvious religious conversation that I'm on the doorstep of beginning, but it's our fate to die.[/b]
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Yes, that's the problem: how can you block off the choice if you haven't been faced with the dilemma in real life?

The first question is, should suicide be a crime? I think so, and therefore assisting suicide is also a crime. But that's based on my common sense and day-to-day prejudice.

I agree with religious views on this: dignity of life, suffering is a necessary trial. But when the suffering hits home, that's hard to take.

One thing is very clear - the state should have no part in helping the helpers. But you know the tax gobblers are itching to get involved.
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There is no such thing as my common sense, or your common sense. the point of common is actually being the same for everybody.


How can suffering be necessary in any kind of way ? What's the connection between suffering and dignity ? Do you also refuse to take painkillers if you have to have an operation ? With all due respect that is just pure bullshit. You have no idea what these people are going through. It's their life and they are entitled to do what they want with it as long as they don't harm other people.
 
Have to agree with people who don't think suffering is just one of those natural things. It's not like we're not doing enough unnatural things on a day-to-day basis as it is (I'm talking to people from around the globe by typing this text, thousands of people are flying right now) so why should suffering be the only natural thing humans don't interfere with?

I think euthanasia is a right everyone should have, right now in Belgium I believe the patient needs to give its consent and two independent doctors need to declare the patient is both terminal and in agony. So still a lot of requirements that need to be fulfilled until you can actually have euthanasia here, which is positive in a way, the system can't be abused in any way
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Aug 3 2009, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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I'm against it. It's not that I don't have sympathy, but I'm against it for the same reasons I'm against execution. No person should be the bringer of death on purpose. Planned execution whether at the will of the state or the will of the individual does not rest easy with my Judeo-Christian ethics. Having said all of this, I've never been in their shoes, so I can't say that if I was in some dire situation that it wouldn't seem like a good idea. Suffering is the lot of humanity in our present state. I'll stay away from the obvious religious conversation that I'm on the doorstep of beginning, but it's our fate to die.[/b]
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Yes, that's the problem: how can you block off the choice if you haven't been faced with the dilemma in real life?

The first question is, should suicide be a crime? I think so, and therefore assisting suicide is also a crime. But that's based on my common sense and day-to-day prejudice.

I agree with religious views on this: dignity of life, suffering is a necessary trial. But when the suffering hits home, that's hard to take.

One thing is very clear - the state should have no part in helping the helpers. But you know the tax gobblers are itching to get involved.
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There is no such thing as my common sense, or your common sense. the point of common is actually being the same for everybody.


How can suffering be necessary in any kind of way ? What's the connection between suffering and dignity ? Do you also refuse to take painkillers if you have to have an operation ? With all due respect that is just pure bullshit. You have no idea what these people are going through. It's their life and they are entitled to do what they want with it as long as they don't harm other people.
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Thanks, Charles, for introducing some balance ;)

Suffering is one of those necessary things that tempers our approach to life.

You stick your hand in the fire and get burnt? You won't do it again.

You take those horrible pictures on cigarette packets seriously and anticipate the suffering? You'll give up cigs and reduce your risk of cancer.

But I think the painkiller point - morphine and all that - is a slightly different argument.

I agree, it is about the individual's right to life, which includes the qualified right to do what whatever the individual wishes to do with that life. But this debate is about assisted suicide. I reckon the assisters should take their chances and take the consequences, and the state should have no part in assisting the assisters.
 
Birth and Death are the basics of life, of which I don't feel we should interfere. To be more clear, I'm against both Abortion and Euthanasia. I'm not saying that I can't be sympathetic with people in severe circumstances, but I don't believe in circumstantial ethics or morals. So, I guess I'll take the position on the far right. Bring it you lefties!!!!
 

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