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<blockquote data-quote="William18" data-source="post: 280117"><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danger @ Sep 26 2009, 11:32 AM) <a href="http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=413615" target="_blank"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div></p><p>Man some people are negative. An extract from the article says as follows: <em>NZRU chief executive Steve Tew said feedback from unions indicated there was a fair amount of anxiety around commercial planning for teams in the relegation zone with the stakes being so high.</em> Once again you pin it all on the NZRU when, in fact, this was a province orientated move. As was the NZRU's decision to change the competition's structure. I would certainly not support no automatic promotion/relegation as that is one of the main reasons I support the restructuring in the first place. I think automatic promotion will happen and I think you are just being cynical but, hey, maybe I am just naive.</p><p></p><p>If people in Waunganui do not want to see their team in Division 1 then they should communicate that to Waunganui Rugby Union. It is not like the NZRU are forcing teams to move up, they are giving them the option. Waunganui may get raped at the beginning but after a few years they could have made the step up and rugby there may be going in leaps and bounds. It is the long term view. </p><p></p><p>I do not agree with you on the mergers. It is not far between the city of Manchester Stadium and Old Trafford either. That does not mean they should merge. Rivalries are good and should be developed.</p><p></p><p>[/b]</p></blockquote><p></p><p>Okay, for one "the once again" comment seems to hint that this was a province orientated move akin to the previous one, where Steve Tew said that all the provinces wanted a 10 team competition. I have spoken to John Knowles, the Manawatu CEO and he says they never asked for a 10 team competition and always were completely against it, as were all the other teams facing demotion that he knew of. </p><p></p><p>Manawatu, Tasman, Northland, Counties and BOP are all pleading for the competition to stay at 14 teams, but you dont see the NZRU releasing statements saying that the competition is staying as it because of a province orientated move do you?</p><p></p><p>The way i see it, the NZRU holds Super Rugby as top priority, thats pretty much undisputed. At the moment, Otago, Auckland and Waikato are in serious danger of coming last in the ten team competition. What will they do then? that messes Super Rugby right up. Thats why i think theyre going to bring in a promotion relegation match. Its very difficult for the lower division sides to beat the higher ones, and its not a fair portrayal of how the lower team will fare as it doesnt take into account the signings it would make should and reach the top division, extra staff, salaries leading to more training. etc..</p><p></p><p>Whos to say the "province lead initiative" wasn't soley Auckland and Otago saying they dont want two teams demoted as that puts super rugby in trouble?</p><p></p><p>The Wanganui Rugby union sees increased revenue, but i dont really think there will be much on offer, people dont like seeing their team losing. And just how do you think they are going to improve? </p><p></p><p>And the difference between Man U and Man City is that they are both pretty good. Mid, South Canty and North Otago would get gaped by the likes of Manawatu, and its not like they have the potential to get any better. Oamaru High isnt exactly churning out players. </p><p></p><p>And how would you keep the rivalry going if they arent playing each other any way. Only one out of the three can get promoted.</p><p>[/b][/quote]</p><p>I don't know who approved or who did not approve of the decision. I do know that all provinces were give the chance to have their say at a workshop. Then the decision was made. The truth is the majority of provinces came up with key principles and then the NZRU has come up with a competition best designed to fit them. Everyone had their say and we have come up with a result. </p><p></p><p>Of course Super rugby is the top priority. It is the highest level of domestic rugby in New Zealand. Super rugby is a bit of a snag. If I was in charge I would relegate Otago, I would also get rid of the Highlanders as well. Not that I expect the NZRU to make that sort of a decision. I think that if Otago was automatically relegated Southland should take over as the centre for the Highlanders. If they were both relegated then the area does not deserve the franchise.</p><p></p><p>If you have spoken to the residents of Omaru, Timaru and Asburton, if you have spoken to the rugby unions of Mid Canterbury, South Canterbury and North Otago and they all want the merger to happen then let it be. If they want to merge then someone in Wellington should not tell them that they have to. If they do not want to merge then someone in Taranaki should not tell them that they should. It is up to them.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="William18, post: 280117"] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danger @ Sep 26 2009, 11:32 AM) [url='index.php?act=findpost&pid=413615']<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div> Man some people are negative. An extract from the article says as follows: [i]NZRU chief executive Steve Tew said feedback from unions indicated there was a fair amount of anxiety around commercial planning for teams in the relegation zone with the stakes being so high.[/i] Once again you pin it all on the NZRU when, in fact, this was a province orientated move. As was the NZRU's decision to change the competition's structure. I would certainly not support no automatic promotion/relegation as that is one of the main reasons I support the restructuring in the first place. I think automatic promotion will happen and I think you are just being cynical but, hey, maybe I am just naive. If people in Waunganui do not want to see their team in Division 1 then they should communicate that to Waunganui Rugby Union. It is not like the NZRU are forcing teams to move up, they are giving them the option. Waunganui may get raped at the beginning but after a few years they could have made the step up and rugby there may be going in leaps and bounds. It is the long term view. I do not agree with you on the mergers. It is not far between the city of Manchester Stadium and Old Trafford either. That does not mean they should merge. Rivalries are good and should be developed. [/b][/quote] Okay, for one "the once again" comment seems to hint that this was a province orientated move akin to the previous one, where Steve Tew said that all the provinces wanted a 10 team competition. I have spoken to John Knowles, the Manawatu CEO and he says they never asked for a 10 team competition and always were completely against it, as were all the other teams facing demotion that he knew of. Manawatu, Tasman, Northland, Counties and BOP are all pleading for the competition to stay at 14 teams, but you dont see the NZRU releasing statements saying that the competition is staying as it because of a province orientated move do you? The way i see it, the NZRU holds Super Rugby as top priority, thats pretty much undisputed. At the moment, Otago, Auckland and Waikato are in serious danger of coming last in the ten team competition. What will they do then? that messes Super Rugby right up. Thats why i think theyre going to bring in a promotion relegation match. Its very difficult for the lower division sides to beat the higher ones, and its not a fair portrayal of how the lower team will fare as it doesnt take into account the signings it would make should and reach the top division, extra staff, salaries leading to more training. etc.. Whos to say the "province lead initiative" wasn't soley Auckland and Otago saying they dont want two teams demoted as that puts super rugby in trouble? The Wanganui Rugby union sees increased revenue, but i dont really think there will be much on offer, people dont like seeing their team losing. And just how do you think they are going to improve? And the difference between Man U and Man City is that they are both pretty good. Mid, South Canty and North Otago would get gaped by the likes of Manawatu, and its not like they have the potential to get any better. Oamaru High isnt exactly churning out players. And how would you keep the rivalry going if they arent playing each other any way. Only one out of the three can get promoted. [/b][/quote] I don't know who approved or who did not approve of the decision. I do know that all provinces were give the chance to have their say at a workshop. Then the decision was made. The truth is the majority of provinces came up with key principles and then the NZRU has come up with a competition best designed to fit them. Everyone had their say and we have come up with a result. Of course Super rugby is the top priority. It is the highest level of domestic rugby in New Zealand. Super rugby is a bit of a snag. If I was in charge I would relegate Otago, I would also get rid of the Highlanders as well. Not that I expect the NZRU to make that sort of a decision. I think that if Otago was automatically relegated Southland should take over as the centre for the Highlanders. If they were both relegated then the area does not deserve the franchise. If you have spoken to the residents of Omaru, Timaru and Asburton, if you have spoken to the rugby unions of Mid Canterbury, South Canterbury and North Otago and they all want the merger to happen then let it be. If they want to merge then someone in Wellington should not tell them that they have to. If they do not want to merge then someone in Taranaki should not tell them that they should. It is up to them. [/QUOTE]
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