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<blockquote data-quote="Leonormous Boozer" data-source="post: 1013551" data-attributes="member: 45598"><p>I think there's a serious amount of naivety when it comes to doping in rugby and sport in general. I'm about to throw out a few extreme opinions but I'm certain I'm far closer to the mark than the following quotes from [USER=45773]@unrated[/USER] and [USER=39190]@TRF_stormer2010[/USER]:</p><p></p><p>"The players don't need it and the potential downside is to big so the risk-reward ratio tips towards staying clean as a clearly superior option."</p><p></p><p>"You don't do steroids at this level and get away with it."</p><p></p><p>Firstly, the recovery times in rugby are absolutely insane, some Irish players are after playing 6 internationals in 7 weeks and having their best performance in the last 40 mins with a training and gym workload on top, they'll be able to go again next week for their provinces. I don't believe for a second any combination of food and legal supplements* can prepare a natural human body for that. </p><p></p><p>I'd also look at the steroid culture in the top levels of the amateur game, do we really think that roids are so ineffective that none of these guys earn a pro contract off the back of this when there have been controlled studies proving that you gain more muscle with the same diet and no exercise while on steroids than someone on a solid gym program without them? Not for a second, there's going to be a few genetic freaks athletes for sure but they'll be few and far between. </p><p></p><p>I think it's fairly blatant too when you look at the physical condition of guys from when the sport went pro to now. Sports science hasn't come that far and you get bigger and more powerful guys in amateur club ranks now fairly regularly than you had at international level in the first three world cups. </p><p></p><p>Let's be realistic here, these guys earn a living off their bodies' capabilities, there has been so many examples of sportsmen doping to ridiculous extents and getting away with it for years and years and as [USER=34990]@TRF_Olyy[/USER] alluded to testing is ****. (850 tests in English pro rugby over the course of a year is testing about 80% of their players once) Everyone is doping guys. </p><p></p><p>*Literally nothing bar creatine and, to a far smaller extent, leucine work at all. BCAAs, glutamine etc... are all just taken by pros to make you think they're going the extra mile with their supplementing as a disguise.</p><p></p><p>P.S, none of this post is an attack on any nation's rugby, I reckon SA like "dirtier" and more obvious stuff for various reasons I think are obvious and not worth discussing. It's more an attempt to make it clear that what pro rugby players can do isn't natural. Whether it's right or wrong isn't something that I'm that interested in.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Leonormous Boozer, post: 1013551, member: 45598"] I think there's a serious amount of naivety when it comes to doping in rugby and sport in general. I'm about to throw out a few extreme opinions but I'm certain I'm far closer to the mark than the following quotes from [USER=45773]@unrated[/USER] and [USER=39190]@TRF_stormer2010[/USER]: "The players don't need it and the potential downside is to big so the risk-reward ratio tips towards staying clean as a clearly superior option." "You don't do steroids at this level and get away with it." Firstly, the recovery times in rugby are absolutely insane, some Irish players are after playing 6 internationals in 7 weeks and having their best performance in the last 40 mins with a training and gym workload on top, they'll be able to go again next week for their provinces. I don't believe for a second any combination of food and legal supplements* can prepare a natural human body for that. I'd also look at the steroid culture in the top levels of the amateur game, do we really think that roids are so ineffective that none of these guys earn a pro contract off the back of this when there have been controlled studies proving that you gain more muscle with the same diet and no exercise while on steroids than someone on a solid gym program without them? Not for a second, there's going to be a few genetic freaks athletes for sure but they'll be few and far between. I think it's fairly blatant too when you look at the physical condition of guys from when the sport went pro to now. Sports science hasn't come that far and you get bigger and more powerful guys in amateur club ranks now fairly regularly than you had at international level in the first three world cups. Let's be realistic here, these guys earn a living off their bodies' capabilities, there has been so many examples of sportsmen doping to ridiculous extents and getting away with it for years and years and as [USER=34990]@TRF_Olyy[/USER] alluded to testing is ****. (850 tests in English pro rugby over the course of a year is testing about 80% of their players once) Everyone is doping guys. *Literally nothing bar creatine and, to a far smaller extent, leucine work at all. BCAAs, glutamine etc... are all just taken by pros to make you think they're going the extra mile with their supplementing as a disguise. P.S, none of this post is an attack on any nation's rugby, I reckon SA like "dirtier" and more obvious stuff for various reasons I think are obvious and not worth discussing. It's more an attempt to make it clear that what pro rugby players can do isn't natural. Whether it's right or wrong isn't something that I'm that interested in. [/QUOTE]
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