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<blockquote data-quote="dirty harry" data-source="post: 1225559" data-attributes="member: 86934"><p>You'd be amazed at the routes the enter the country and get distributed...</p><p></p><p>Surron don't care who buys them, what country etc, they sell them wholesale to individuals in the UK. Of course the ones that flood the streets aren't name brand, they're Chinese crap mostly...</p><p></p><p>The majority of transfers of these bikes are two fold:</p><p></p><p>1. Presents from parents. Without demonising anyone, the vast majority are single mothers desperate to keep their kids up with the local kids.</p><p></p><p>2. Gifts from dealers. It's easy to identify a kid that is living in poverty, is failing at everything, and is given an opportunity to deliver a little parcel for £10. Delivery's get bigger and more profitable, then before you know it, borrow my bike for the next one, then just buy it off me for a great deal, pay it off as you work... then the eventual mugging where the package and bike gets stolen and the kid owes for both, trapped in debt, and the bike moves on to the next sucker...</p><p></p><p>Interestingly, I worked with a pretty decent level dealer in Cardiff prison a few years ago slimey 45 year old guy, still dressed and talked like a 15 yr old road man, fully welsh but south London gangster accent lol. Bart Simpson tatted on one arm, kids names on the other.</p><p></p><p>He was explaining victim selection, he would only use areas he knew, poverty, crime etc, he'd look at things I hadn't considered, local schools where kids were mitching, or going in late etc, generally kids living in flats, with no dads, but always selected kids who got into trouble (his words, the soppy ones grass every time), he wanted tough kids but then scared them shitless.</p><p></p><p>The thing I'll never forget, because it stands out from all the police training bull ****, is that to a kid with nothing, a life of crime is still a life, and if the risk is the police, it's better to live a life with risks, than not have one a all. That will always resonate with my experience as a kid, except with my experience the risk was the knives and pipes being threatened with, they were enough to make me flea the situation, the police were never threatening</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dirty harry, post: 1225559, member: 86934"] You'd be amazed at the routes the enter the country and get distributed... Surron don't care who buys them, what country etc, they sell them wholesale to individuals in the UK. Of course the ones that flood the streets aren't name brand, they're Chinese crap mostly... The majority of transfers of these bikes are two fold: 1. Presents from parents. Without demonising anyone, the vast majority are single mothers desperate to keep their kids up with the local kids. 2. Gifts from dealers. It's easy to identify a kid that is living in poverty, is failing at everything, and is given an opportunity to deliver a little parcel for £10. Delivery's get bigger and more profitable, then before you know it, borrow my bike for the next one, then just buy it off me for a great deal, pay it off as you work... then the eventual mugging where the package and bike gets stolen and the kid owes for both, trapped in debt, and the bike moves on to the next sucker... Interestingly, I worked with a pretty decent level dealer in Cardiff prison a few years ago slimey 45 year old guy, still dressed and talked like a 15 yr old road man, fully welsh but south London gangster accent lol. Bart Simpson tatted on one arm, kids names on the other. He was explaining victim selection, he would only use areas he knew, poverty, crime etc, he'd look at things I hadn't considered, local schools where kids were mitching, or going in late etc, generally kids living in flats, with no dads, but always selected kids who got into trouble (his words, the soppy ones grass every time), he wanted tough kids but then scared them shitless. The thing I'll never forget, because it stands out from all the police training bull ****, is that to a kid with nothing, a life of crime is still a life, and if the risk is the police, it's better to live a life with risks, than not have one a all. That will always resonate with my experience as a kid, except with my experience the risk was the knives and pipes being threatened with, they were enough to make me flea the situation, the police were never threatening [/QUOTE]
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