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<blockquote data-quote="Larksea" data-source="post: 420243" data-attributes="member: 43875"><p>I didn't post here 3 years ago I posted on another forum where everyone called for Read to be the all black 6 and I got a lot of crap for suggesting he should be 8 and Jerome Jaino should be 6 and rodney so'oialo should be dropped. I only said it because I got the same crap then as I am now about Donald.</p><p></p><p>I'm not donalds brother, I know he's not pefect and people tend to forget that I'm critical of him at times too. But I dont for a momment believe he deserves the crap that a big section of the NZ public put on him and I'm sure I compensate for that some. Yes he screwed up in hong kong but only IMO for missing that one kick at goal which would have sealed the game. I would have expected him to make after he cicked 25 from 27 in ITM cup and scored 90 odd points in like 4 games. Would Cruden or Slade have got it at the time? Honestly I very much doubt it.</p><p></p><p>As for the kick that didn't go to touch. Maybe (but not definately) it would have been a better result if it did, no-one can say for sure. Though anything that would given a quick throw in would have been just as bad or worse and yes there was loads of time left. It wouldn't have ended the game. I tend to think maybe Donald Should have Run it - but that wasn't without risk either and I dont think running from that part of the ground was part of the AB's gameplan, The aussie forwards were more hungry at the time too.</p><p></p><p>People give him such crap for missing kicks at goal like that but the reality is that Donald has about the same kicking %age for goal as carter over the same period for the All Blacks. Note carter missed his first two kicks at goal that game.</p><p></p><p>Another example is that everyone blaims donald for that loss though other players made critical mistakes in those last minutes of the game. The #1 example is that if Toeava had made his tackle on Beale or at least held in the line with the rest of the defense - Donalds kick would have worked out very well for the All Blacks - because it was after all a very long kick and it did find the ground rather than go straight to hand. Also note Brad Thron Missed a critical tackle that and one of the front rowers did as well - cant be 100% sure without having another look but I think it was John Afoa. Also that last tackle on O'Conner was pretty weak.</p><p></p><p>So yes Donald could have done better, but is he the sole reason for that loss. Most definately not. Overall honestly I think most of NZ should accept the fact that Australia were just more desperate & hungry for that game. Rather than find a goat to kill int the All Blacks acknowledge the awesome work Aussie did and that Brilliant run from Beale. It's not something us kiwi's are good at doing when it comes to rugby.</p><p></p><p>Also look at the losses to SA in 2009 and the finger pointing at Donald, no he wasn't dan carter and he didn't win the game for the AB's even though they were totally outclassed in other areas like only Dan Carter can. But during that period the All Black lineout completely and utterly failed in a major way. If only the lineout had got some equality with SA the All Blacks would have won the tri nations and it was by far the biggest issue with the AB's a the time. It saw Issac Ross booted from the AB's and hansen lost his job coaching the forwards. The real shame is it ended up being so easy to fix, Select Tom Donnelly and get Henry to help with the lineout, add a former all black's impot as well and it was all good.</p><p></p><p>Donald has been through dark times and for sure he will have some regrets. But anyone who doesn't admit that he's also done some good things for the All Blacks as well are lying to themselves.</p><p></p><p>The vast majority of his performances off the bench he's either done what he needed to do or done very well. He's played an important part of some come from behind wins over Australia in more important games than Hong Kong 2010 over the years and in Auckland 2009 vs. Australia he was the All Blacks best player on the park behind Richie McCaw. And all during a period where his main job is to study and imitate oposition 10's during the week... So Dan Carter and others get quality training.</p><p></p><p>People also need to respect the fact that Being "Dan Carters Backup" is the toughest job in NZ rugby. It forced Nick Evans overseas and it's Haunted Donald. I bet if you asked Cruden how he feels about it he wont be happy either - he got one real shot starting for the AB's in place of Carter it didn't go so well and he's been in All Blacks Limbo ever since. And right now he will be wondering what the hell he has to do to get another go after working hard to fix the aspects of his game and still being left out.</p><p></p><p>Now it's slades turn. I really hope it works out for Slade, I really do. Great head for the game and awesome skill set - but no one can say he's a proven goal kicker. He's had one good ITM cup kicking last year and the rest of the time he's only been a 50-60% kicker. And he hasn't even been kicking for canterbury in ITM cup. All I can say is fingers crossed... 4th time lucky?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Larksea, post: 420243, member: 43875"] I didn't post here 3 years ago I posted on another forum where everyone called for Read to be the all black 6 and I got a lot of crap for suggesting he should be 8 and Jerome Jaino should be 6 and rodney so'oialo should be dropped. I only said it because I got the same crap then as I am now about Donald. I'm not donalds brother, I know he's not pefect and people tend to forget that I'm critical of him at times too. But I dont for a momment believe he deserves the crap that a big section of the NZ public put on him and I'm sure I compensate for that some. Yes he screwed up in hong kong but only IMO for missing that one kick at goal which would have sealed the game. I would have expected him to make after he cicked 25 from 27 in ITM cup and scored 90 odd points in like 4 games. Would Cruden or Slade have got it at the time? Honestly I very much doubt it. As for the kick that didn't go to touch. Maybe (but not definately) it would have been a better result if it did, no-one can say for sure. Though anything that would given a quick throw in would have been just as bad or worse and yes there was loads of time left. It wouldn't have ended the game. I tend to think maybe Donald Should have Run it - but that wasn't without risk either and I dont think running from that part of the ground was part of the AB's gameplan, The aussie forwards were more hungry at the time too. People give him such crap for missing kicks at goal like that but the reality is that Donald has about the same kicking %age for goal as carter over the same period for the All Blacks. Note carter missed his first two kicks at goal that game. Another example is that everyone blaims donald for that loss though other players made critical mistakes in those last minutes of the game. The #1 example is that if Toeava had made his tackle on Beale or at least held in the line with the rest of the defense - Donalds kick would have worked out very well for the All Blacks - because it was after all a very long kick and it did find the ground rather than go straight to hand. Also note Brad Thron Missed a critical tackle that and one of the front rowers did as well - cant be 100% sure without having another look but I think it was John Afoa. Also that last tackle on O'Conner was pretty weak. So yes Donald could have done better, but is he the sole reason for that loss. Most definately not. Overall honestly I think most of NZ should accept the fact that Australia were just more desperate & hungry for that game. Rather than find a goat to kill int the All Blacks acknowledge the awesome work Aussie did and that Brilliant run from Beale. It's not something us kiwi's are good at doing when it comes to rugby. Also look at the losses to SA in 2009 and the finger pointing at Donald, no he wasn't dan carter and he didn't win the game for the AB's even though they were totally outclassed in other areas like only Dan Carter can. But during that period the All Black lineout completely and utterly failed in a major way. If only the lineout had got some equality with SA the All Blacks would have won the tri nations and it was by far the biggest issue with the AB's a the time. It saw Issac Ross booted from the AB's and hansen lost his job coaching the forwards. The real shame is it ended up being so easy to fix, Select Tom Donnelly and get Henry to help with the lineout, add a former all black's impot as well and it was all good. Donald has been through dark times and for sure he will have some regrets. But anyone who doesn't admit that he's also done some good things for the All Blacks as well are lying to themselves. The vast majority of his performances off the bench he's either done what he needed to do or done very well. He's played an important part of some come from behind wins over Australia in more important games than Hong Kong 2010 over the years and in Auckland 2009 vs. Australia he was the All Blacks best player on the park behind Richie McCaw. And all during a period where his main job is to study and imitate oposition 10's during the week... So Dan Carter and others get quality training. People also need to respect the fact that Being "Dan Carters Backup" is the toughest job in NZ rugby. It forced Nick Evans overseas and it's Haunted Donald. I bet if you asked Cruden how he feels about it he wont be happy either - he got one real shot starting for the AB's in place of Carter it didn't go so well and he's been in All Blacks Limbo ever since. And right now he will be wondering what the hell he has to do to get another go after working hard to fix the aspects of his game and still being left out. Now it's slades turn. I really hope it works out for Slade, I really do. Great head for the game and awesome skill set - but no one can say he's a proven goal kicker. He's had one good ITM cup kicking last year and the rest of the time he's only been a 50-60% kicker. And he hasn't even been kicking for canterbury in ITM cup. All I can say is fingers crossed... 4th time lucky? [/QUOTE]
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