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<blockquote data-quote="Ragey Erasmus" data-source="post: 1114528" data-attributes="member: 56232">And here we are, years down the line with Brexit and the Tory leadership musical chairs, scandals, corruption, lies and somehow a segment of this country still look at them and go &quot;yep, that&#039;s who I want.&quot;I&#039;ve asked it before and I&#039;ll say it again, what is the limit for some people that will make them abandon the Tories? I know someone who wheels out the &quot;it would be worse under Labour&quot; despite the Labour years being clearly better than the Tory mess either side of it. There is no limit to how bad the Tories could get and, every time I&#039;ve asked about issues, they bring up culture war crap. For all the claims that it&#039;s the left that engage in culture wars, it&#039;s actually the right who consistently put it as top of the agenda. They would rather see the economy tanking than &quot;wokism&quot; (which is conveniently left undefined). Friends I&#039;ve spoken to on the left talk about security, integrity, jobs, bills, Brexit etc whilst those I&#039;m friends with on the right talk about wokism, persecution of the right wing, &quot;free speech&quot;, Corbyn, 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s socialism and scroungers. I&#039;m finding right wing talking points are becoming more and more detached from actual issues of the day as there is no defence for how much they have ****** up so they look to deflect to non-issues and make them issues.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ragey Erasmus, post: 1114528, member: 56232"] And here we are, years down the line with Brexit and the Tory leadership musical chairs, scandals, corruption, lies and somehow a segment of this country still look at them and go "yep, that's who I want." I've asked it before and I'll say it again, what is the limit for some people that will make them abandon the Tories? I know someone who wheels out the "it would be worse under Labour" despite the Labour years being clearly better than the Tory mess either side of it. There is no limit to how bad the Tories could get and, every time I've asked about issues, they bring up culture war crap. For all the claims that it's the left that engage in culture wars, it's actually the right who consistently put it as top of the agenda. They would rather see the economy tanking than "wokism" (which is conveniently left undefined). Friends I've spoken to on the left talk about security, integrity, jobs, bills, Brexit etc whilst those I'm friends with on the right talk about wokism, persecution of the right wing, "free speech", Corbyn, 60's and 70's socialism and scroungers. I'm finding right wing talking points are becoming more and more detached from actual issues of the day as there is no defence for how much they have ****** up so they look to deflect to non-issues and make them issues. [/QUOTE]

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